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JWF
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is the "two to the body and one to the head" old news? ive taken some classes from diffrent instructors and asked a couple vets and it seems the old school guys prefer this method but the newer generation just rely on shooting the target intail its down and one guy even said "one to the chest then shoot your way up to the head"...4 guys recomended the "two to the body & one to the head" method while three said just shoot intail the threats taken care of...my buddy who has four tours in the sandbox and a few years as a security contractor said "dont be a retard just shoot intail they cease to be an issue". I like the mozambique drill and i find myself naturally going back to this method but is it really the best option?

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Well, I don't know about 'best' but Suarez makes a compelling argument for just shooting them in the head until you're out of ammo...he calls it the "Istanbul Drill"

http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/07/justified-killing-istanbul-drill-applications.html

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Well, I don't know about 'best' but Suarez makes a compelling argument for just shooting them in the head until you're out of ammo...he calls it the "Istanbul Drill"

http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/06/counter-terror-skills-the-istanbul-drill.html

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Dosnt seem smart unless its a haji....Were you trained with the two to the body one to the head technique or just dumping rounds in the torso intail the threat goes down?

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Two to the body, one to the head... aka "the Rhodesian Drill" was developed during the Rhodesian Bush War against their Communist insurgents.

I've found that it is quite natural and accounts well for a bit of barrel climb.

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quote:
Originally posted by JWF:
Dosnt seem smart unless its a haji....Were you trained with the two to the body one to the head technique or just dumping rounds in the torso intail the threat goes down?

I was trained by Cooper at Gunsite, to use the Rhodesian drill....

But considering that the enemy may be a terr, not a regular criminal, and be wearing a bomb vest and armor, shooting until the threat is neutralized (however you do it) is still best.

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Two to the body and one to the head (the Moz drill) works extremely well against cardboard targets that stand there, don't move, and don't shoot back.

REAL bad guys move, hide and shoot back.

Here is what I teach my students: Shoot what is available for you to shoot (whatever body part you can see), until the bad guy gives you something better to shoot. Shoot until the bad guy stops being a bad guy. It may be 1 round (doubtful) or it may be many rounds.

Hope this helps.

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If they are wearing soft body armor and you are using a pistol don't waste your ammo on body shots where the armor is. If they are wearing hard plates and you are using a rifle don't waste your ammo on body shots where the armor is.

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Old news; shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat.

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If it takes one or two shots to make them immobile, fine and dandy. They can still fight but now have limited mobility. Move to a different vantage point and continue to shoot at any body parts that are exposed.

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Its. a good drill to be able to master, I must ask. How does one get the experience to master it when shooting at a target that isn't shooting back?

Neutralize the threat in any way possible. This technique seems to work well at its purest form. To go above or narrow that down seems fool hardy to me since moatnof us are shooting at a target that's doesn't shoot back. Simmunitions is useful for this but can become cost prohibitive.

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quote:
Originally posted by GETNLWR:
Its. a good drill to be able to master, I must ask. How does one get the experience to master it when shooting at a target that isn't shooting back?

Neutralize the threat in any way possible. This technique seems to work well at its purest form. To go above or narrow that down seems fool hardy to me since moatnof us are shooting at a target that's doesn't shoot back. Simmunitions is useful for this but can become cost prohibitive.

So, how often do you do self-defense drills when someone is shooting back at you? And simmunitions still have the burden of you knowing they are not (usually) leathal, so using your logic, they're as bad as paper targets.

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The best way to simulate it is to run a hundred yards or so, or do some calisthenics, before shooting. It gets your heart pumping, and simulates shooting under pressure. It's far from perfect, but that's the best way I've found.

Several years ago, a female police officer decided to have her lunch at home, and walked in on a man burglarizing her house. What followed was a brief but furious gun battle in which 28 rounds were fired, at a range of, at most, 15 feet. Of those 28 rounds, one found its mark, wounding the burglar in the leg. I just don't know of any way to simulate a situation like that.

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