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EMSguy11
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Where can I find/what is the accepted militia patches. Also how do you have your cammies pached? Right shoulder unit patch right breast name left breast state? I do not have a unit patch so keep that in mind.

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However your unit does things. NO bright colors. Personally, I really don't like patches at all, so I like to keep them to a minimum. We Marines just aren't into uniform decorations. You don't want to look like a Boy Scout with all his merit badges out there.

You have two main options:

1. Find a subdued patch you like available online, then have everyone in you unit order one for every BDU blouse they own. This patch probably won't be personalized to your unit. However, you can get patches made of your state's flag or the Gadsden flag. The ones with velcro backing are typically more expensive.

2. Have a local embroidery shop make a custom patch for your unit. The members of your unit will each have to pitch in in order to buy a large quantity of these patches. Remember, you need at least one for every BDU blouse for every member of the unit, plus more for future members.

I would get them made without any iron-on or velcro backing. You should be sewing them on anyway to ensure they don't come off easily.

If your unit has any communal cloth equipment, for example a radio pack, I recommend that you sew a unit patch onto it, just to avoid confusion later down the road if/when you train with other units.

You can also create a stensil of the same design found on your patch to spray-paint your unit's logo on any other communal gear like jerry cans, propane stoves, folding tables, etc.

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We have our official Wolfhead unit patch on the one side Gadsden flag on other than a name tape and a unit tape pin on rank and that's it....

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I go bear BDUs, no name, no rank, patches. I'm militia black ops lol (to the feds thats a joke BTW)

I have yet to see a unit so big everyone didn't know everyone else. Hell I knew everyone in my company in the Army whether I can remembe the name now or not.

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Asher’s advice is great for combat but to build unit cohesiveness/moral and to answer your question this how to do it. This way you cannot be mistaken for a gang or unlawful combatant.

EMSguy11, put a subdued US Flag on the right shoulder

(correction(Flight-ER-Doc pointed this out) get what they list as a reversed flag so the star field will be forward when on right soulder).

Only to serve the UN put a US flag on the left shoulder.

Put the subdued unit patch your group decides upon on your left shoulder.

For the custom made name tapes order them here
http://www.rangerjoes.com/custom-name-tapes-pack-p-209.html
they cost $9 for 4 of them.

Order the olive drab name tapes with black thread.

Above your right chest pocket put your custom last name tape.

Above your left chest pocket put in your case the custom tape “Indiana Militia”

Don’t get ACU uniforms. They make you stand out in a wooded environment and are too bright in the dark.

[ 09-04-2009, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: Texas Resistance ]

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TR, please explain the flag patch placement, direction and the UN connection. I haven't heard this before. I just want to get things right.

" put a subdued US Flag on the right shoulder (get regular flag not reversed). Only men who will serve the UN put a reversed US flag on the left shoulder."

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The US Flag is supposed to be worn with the blue field forward.

The army decided that putting the flag on the wrong side (necessitating a reversed flag) was important because they wanted to keep their unit patches...

Personally I think the Army f'd up....I wore a (regular) US Flag on my Left shoulder (closest to my heart) on my flightsuits, and didn't have a problem with it.

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How quickly history is forgotten. US soldiers used to always wear the US flag on the right arm to indicate it is superior to any patch on the left arm. But when some traitors decided to put US Soldiers under United Nations command they had them wear the US flag to the left shoulder.
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"No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other."

So what master do U.S. servicemen serve: the U.S. Constitution or the United Nations Charter? The U.S. Army is trying to repeal the Biblical truism and tell our soldiers: Wear the red-white-and-blue U.S. Flag on the subordinate left arm, the blue UN insignia on the senior right arm, and cap it off with the UN blue helmet or the UN blue beret.

"For at least three years in the Balkans and elsewhere, the U.S. Army has been quietly pursuing the practice of requiring American soldiers to wear these UN uniforms. Now, one brave soldier has had the temerity to dissent.

U.S. Army Specialist E-4 Michael G. New, a medic with the Third Infantry Division, will be arraigned this week in Germany, preparatory to a court martial, for the offense of disobeying the Army's order to "appear in United Nations uniform" instead of his U.S. Army uniform.

The order to New is one implementation of Presidential Decision Directive 25 (PDD 25), in which Bill Clinton asserted his authority "to place U.S. forces under the operational control of a foreign commander." The Clinton Administration has kept PDD 25 a secret document under lock and key, but the State Department "summary," dated May 1994, contains enough information to enable us to challenge its constitutionality... from http://www.eagleforum.org/column/1995/nov95/col-11-2.html
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As to the direction of the flag patch the traditional requirement is to have the stars facing forward in the direction the wearer is facing as if the wearer is advancing and the flag is blowing backward in the wind.

[ 09-04-2009, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Texas Resistance ]

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Better check your right and left:

Here is a pic from A-stan. What shoulder is the flag (reversed) on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_soldiers_with_cows_in_Kunar_Povince_of_Afghanistan.jpg

If it was on the left side, it wouldn't need to be reversed.

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Flight-ER-Doc is correct the flag patch we want is called a "reverse flag." I knew what it looked like but I was calling it by the wrong name. Thank you Flight-ER-Doc.

Get this flag patch EMSguy11
http://www.rangerjoes.com/patch-flag-subdued-reverse-p-995.html

They only made flag patches with the star field on the left side of the patch so that when it was worn on the left shoulder the star field will be forward as if the wearer is advancing and the flag is blowing backward in the wind.

To wear a US flag patch correctly and as it always had been done before PDD 25 (placing US troops under UN command) the US flag patch goes on the right shoulder with the star field facing forward.

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like this flag patch but subdued

[ 09-04-2009, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Texas Resistance ]

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Thank you, In the USMC we didn't wear any patch just an iron on Eagle Globe And Anchor and USMC. My fire dept uniform has the flag as shown above. Thanks again
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That's another possibility. Where can we get custom made iron-ons (not patches).
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I think the glue on an iron on patch is like hot glue.

When I did not have time to sew on a patch I have heated the jacket and the patch with a hot iron then put hot glue (from a hot glue gun) on the patch, put the patch where I wanted it on the jacket, and put the hot iron on it again in place to make sure it stuck. It works fairly well to turn a regular patch into an iron on patch.

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As I am not on a team it is not a problem for me at this time. Were I to sew on a subdued Flag I would go with right shoulder on general principal.

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quote:
Originally posted by Texas Resistance:
Asher’s advice is great for combat but to build unit cohesiveness/moral and to answer your question this how to do it. This way you cannot be mistaken for a gang or unlawful combatant.

Well I have a "dress uniform" which is black BDUs wit white name & flag patch on my right shoulder, a unit patch & various unit certification awards (merrit badges and such) & rank. I simply do not see the point of all the patchs on a field uniform. Even subdued a patch stands out to an observant person.
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With almost every Army in the world wearing some type of camo, and many of the patterns being similar, wearing the color flag of the country on the right or both arms, has become an informal international standard.
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I should have said iron-on transfer. Here's an example:
http://www.miluniform.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3774

Is there somewhere we can get custom made irno-on transfers? These come on paper, are dirt cheap, and never come off.

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EMSguy11--You can join us in the Indiana Sons of Liberty and we will hook you up with some patches.

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Wouldn't it make more sense to wear your State flag on the right shoulder?
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quote:
Originally posted by SGTBloodLoss:
That's another possibility. Where can we get custom made iron-ons (not patches).

The Iron-on type adhesive material can be found at many fabric stores and outlets. (The type that allows a person to iron-on any patch to any fabric simply by applying a layer of the iron-on adhesive and using a hot iron). But I found that it doesn't last very long and can peel off a bit too easily. I've found that this type should be sew around the edges of the patch after it's applied to keep it more permanent. I personally don't like the iron on stuff. I can't trust it completely by itself, is why.

The Iron-on ensignia that come on the paper is a little better, but I've noticed that it eventually wears off or cracks too. If it's thick enough to crack, it will wear the fabric it's applied to also, so it seems to crack the fabric too. This is very much like a silk-screen application as they both act the same once they're applied.
There are now home PC printers that can use a special ink cartridge and paper to make your own iron-on transfers and designs. It can take some specific type of thinking,(reverse), to get the finish product to read corrctly once it's applied. It's not too cheap a process either. But it does work.

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I've used "Shoe-goo" quite a bit. I think the best way is to shoe-goo a larger patch of the soft side of velcro to the BDU,(or other gear), and then shoe-goo the hook side of the velcro to the patches or ensignia. This way the patches can be changed at will, and the shoe-goo remains very permanent... without having to worry about learning to sew,(I think everyone needs to learn to sew, all the same!).

Shoe-Goo is very permanent, to the point that you can actually glue a cinder block to your BDUs. Even if it comes apart, the shoe-goo remains. Expect to tear fabrics or the patches if you shoe-goo them directly together and try to remove them later on.

Here's a commercial site to velcro and fastex fasteners... ( http://www.fasteningsystems.com/velcro.html ), this is an excellent site for nearly any kind of military grade fastener. They do have a min order amount before they ship, though)

I also have some rolls of the coyote brown 1-1/2" sewable,(non-sticky), velcro that I would sell for a reasonabe price per foot.

IHTH

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quote:
Originally posted by SGTBloodLoss:
However your unit does things. NO bright colors. Personally, I really don't like patches at all,

This.

I don't wear them. And since I don't wear them, I won't force anyone else to do so either.

Patches are nothing more than an officer's "I Love Me" wall, only worn on your clothes. I don't need some patch to make me feel good about myself. I know what I've done, where I've been, etc. etc. Anyone who needs to know probably already does, or can feel free to ask.

If you're going to do it, then SBL has some pretty good advice. If you search in Interwebs, I'm sure you can find a place that will custom make them, and with some time and MS Paint or the like you should be able to modify an existing design, or, if you've got MaD tAlEnT an skillz, you could always create your own. My art skills are teh sux, the only 'drawing' I can do involves CAD type programs (CAD, Solidworks, Inventor), but even I can copy and modify pics using MS Paint. If you know a decent artist, you could have them make a design for you. This is gonna sound strange, but if you know any teens who you think are on pretty good terms with ol' Mary Jane, that's who I'd talk to first. They always seemed to have art skills. I don't know if the artsy types are attracted to the weed, or if using it makes them artsy, but either way, most of them could draw like mad. Couldn't carry on much of a conversation, do math, or hold down a job, but they could draw and paint.

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Texas Resistance is correct about why the flag is blue forward on army uniforms, this is something all learn or at least are informed in BCT however more important for our intent I believe we should be turning the us flag upside down, no this is not a sign of disrespect it is a symbol for distress. thats another bit learned in BCT when in need of help the flag is flown upside down so anyone who sees it knows. And as I see it we are a nation in distress and need help

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+1 starballs

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+1 starballs as well.

I wear the US flag for the simple fact that I still believe in the US Constitution and what this country was founded as, a republic. I wear it on the right because we are all united still as Americans and I pray to god that never changes.

On the left shoulder I wear the state flag since we have not yet created a unit patch. I have name tapes but due to the lack of velcro on the ACU and my desire to NOT wear them most of the time I just keep them around for the hell of it.

The main point of having patches is so that you are easily recognizable. Whether by your enemy, who will be more likely trying to kill you then finding out who you are at that point, or a friendly, one that may not know you but recognize the patch as ally.

My advice, minimalist and uniform when applicable. Keep it simple, make sure everyone in your group has the same identifier and make sure you ALL know the patches of any units around you.

Also a suggestion, put a number or such mark on the patch before handing it out. That way you know who has what patch numbers and can identify if someone has duplicated your patch and is causing trouble. Just a thought.

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If you're going to wear your Militia uniform in public, it needs to be squared away, period. Everyone in your unit needs to have the exact same things on their uniform. That means that the new guy in your unit can't have his "SHIT MAGNET" morale patch sewed on his uniform unless EVERYBODY does.

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+1 SBL.

And I also agree with the Americans first sentiment. Our government is out of control yes, but I will not let those traitors hijack the stars and stripes.

It is the flag we all fight for.

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We keep it simple in the Rangers: Last name over right pocket, MVCR over that and New York on Left.
The name tapes are the cheapest solution. If your unit is part of a larger organization, or has separate elements have the tape maker make alpha numeric symbols across the whole tape with a space between. (as in Company "A" would have a bunch of "A"s. These are simply cut out individually and sewn on to the left shoulder. Small, simple, effective. American flag on right shoulder...

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Nametape and Militia/unit tag.
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