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EDOGZ818
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Charles Dyer
1200 South main St
Fredrick, Oklahoma, 73542

Please write Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot for his B Day.

Charles Dyer needs help researching his appeals.
Two main issues that he needs us to research are:

Can he be convicted for a string of sexual assaults, as opposed to a specific incident.

IE: Raped so & so over the course of 1 yr, as opposed to raping so & so on a specific date.
IE: He wasn't convicted for a specific incident, because the government didn't have enough evidence to substantiate a specific charge, so they generalized it.

Also:
What is the standard of proof required for a sexual assault on a child?
Is it only a statement, supported by a missing vaginal flap, or does an examination have to be preformed by a physician who was specifically trained to conduct an examination to determine sexual assault.

In a nutshell, there was no physical examination by a qualified physician, and no specific dates of the incident(s).

He was railroaded and now, has virtually no access to the law library to prepare for his appeals.

Please find the related info, download it, print it and mail it to him, or post a link here,PM, or email it me & I will download it, print it out & send it to him, with your information if you don't mind, to let him know who helped him.

Thank you, in advance, for your time and attention to this life saving activity.

Please send him money orders for personal supplies and make sure you sign them where the signature line indicates that the "PURCHASER" should sign.

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There are two considerations here.
The government is not putting him on trial in a Federal Court I don't believe.
Thus you need to go to the state "Criminal Procedures Act" and there will be the "proper procedures" in black and white. The assorted court functions will be listed there and as a backup on the State "Civil Procedures Act".
Between these two will be various requirements for forms, statements, authentications, and steps "Required".
Then you have to take each charge by itself and determine the quoted reference and read each for if it was in effect at the time of the alleged action and if it is correctly identified against the evidence.
When attacking the case never be general go only after the individual charge or specification one at a time.
The best person to do this is a common law practitioner not a bar fly lawyer who belongs to the same BAR as the DA, the Judge, most likely Mr Dyers defense Attorney, and has duties against Mr Dyer as an officer of the State court System.
Lastly get a notarized copy of the Judge's, DA's, and Mr Dyer's attorneys "Oath of Office' as a member of the Court.
Then as the first document sent to the Judge include these oaths for these people to "Uphold the Constitution of the State of Oklahoma and the Constitution for the United States to include the amendments.
This will put him on notice that any decisions not covered by these documents will be grounds for his dismissal and possibly his being charged under Title 145.

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Can I get a link?
That is a little over my head, but if I can copy / download the information, I will print it up & send it to J4P on your behalf.

Thank You very much for your assistance in this matter.


Edit:
http://statutes.laws.com/oklahoma/Title22

I have this, any other suggestions?

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Its now 615 Am, I am not proof reading this and I know there is some repeating but I am just submitting the post, it is what it is, I just hope the info helps some of you out with any questions you may have. 3 hours to type a post and still Dog just keeps adding the wrong info, knowingly online here and other places.

We cant get to all to post so we hope you all will help get the info out with the proper addresses for J4 and the Dyer family. On a side note I mentioned below, Jan would need some extra cash to get up north this weekend to visit J4, sending all the boxes and buying all the new things he needed cost then lots of unexpected money.

This info is important and I have another post Jan asked me to add here and in other forums, later.

BUT here we go again...
Again disinformation agent is at work. DOG Errol Medina has it all wrong AGAIN...
these people are not even in contact with the Dyers at all, even the USO will not speak to Dog, swan or Chris. The 3 of them have been impeding his own investigations and are a constant distraction to the Dyer family, J4 and our own team of supporters helping J4 and his family, directly.

***I hope all of this helps get the proper info out and if someone wishes you can confirm all of it with Jan. She knows this is being posted tonight.

We do as we are asked, we follow the wishes of the family, the attorneys, and anyone else seeking our input. I follow directions of the Dyers, J4, and again anyone else Jan asks us to help out, please do the same, people, if you wish to help.

***If you wish I will ask Mrs Dyer what part of these lists J4 sent her can be posted here and other forums without hurting the direction of the appeal, and I will post as mush of the list as I am allowed by the family and J4.***

DO NOT let DOG, Errol Medina, York PA, the disinformation agent, co intel pro, online informer, mislead you from this moment on. You all know where to go to find out what is honestly needed.

And for sending money directly to J4, I have info Mrs Dyer asked me to post. I will get this out to you. Its awful easy to see the change in direction Dog, and Swan have taken, without the USO, The DYER family or J4...

...like I posted before, Dog- "...stop hating on Mrs Dyer."

The change of direction is now not only disinformation about us, the support team of j4p, but NOW...the same and more lies are being spread agaisnt J4Ps one family and Mother, Jan.

This is awful easy to notice: Dog and swan are doing their very best to be sure no money is sent to Mrs Dyer to expedite to fund to j4. Dog would rather see the funds returned to all of you, or worse....the funds and MOs lost. You will need to include a deposit slip to send the MO to the other prison to be sure the money is posted promptly and in the correct account for J4. The deposit slip can be downloaded online.

...But it is wise to stick the way donations direct to Jan Dyer she will get the money to J4 if that is where you want it to go, or divide it up, some to j4 and some for appeal expenses for the family. But stick wit what YOU all KNOW already works, Jan, home address, and the CHIP IN link you all know this works, and has no problem what so ever.

***I suggest you use Mrs Dyers preferred donation page the CHIP IN that's going on 3 yr old not and never had any issues shows a running tally and *Missquilt42@yahoo.com,* showing when you hit "donate now." remember to look for that email address always.***

I happen to know there are funds needed now small amounts, right now, so Jan can spend the funds to travel the 1.5 hours one way to visit J4 this weekend.
I send some cash today, it wont be there until Tuesday, even over night would have been 2.5 days. Jan will make sure her son wants for nothing as long as he is in that jail she is dedicated every day to helping him and making sure she can get all he is allowed, to him.
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So please add a few dollars to the chip in, between now and Saturday early morning??*** Jan will receive the funds immediately and you will receive several receipts along with a thank you note from Mrs Dyer. ATT has also put some kind of a code with a limit of collect calls they are having trouble attempting to find out why and who can remove it, the jail denies it ATT denies it the LD carried denies it, yet when Jan hit one to accept the collect call from J4, the call was connected, charged and disconnected; something else to waste time on finding out why, but the point is he has to buy phone cards to call home or the LD carrier must be fixed. When J4 is in a more perm place while awaiting trial the we will be purchasing cell phones with that same area code.

I have the widget up here: http://www.july4patriot.com/2011/12/12/sgt-charles-dyer-chip-in-legal-defense-2011/ current chip in widget and all the others are listed for you to view in one spot one page.

and here: http://july4patriot.chipin.com/free-july4patriot-2012 Current CHIP IN widget

If the Checks or money orders are made out to below, Jan will make one MO and DOC deposit slip with her name as the sender, your names will not show up on the jail paper work this way, but she will type up a list of who set what to go to commissary and what was directed to the legal defense funds and fees still needed.

Jan will deposit your funds send or hand deliver (if she still is allowed) one MO for J4 commissary with a list mailed to J4, if you wish I can post that list using initials or handles on this forum so each of you know funds were receive and delivered to J4 or added to legal defense fund.

If you want to send along well wishes and / or funds, to help the Dyer family.
Remember today is J4Ps birthday!!! 8/17 and 8/18 is his mothers birthday!!!

Mr. and Mrs. Dyer
5103 HOPE
MARLOW, OK 73055

Using the USPS you will also receive a thank you letter from Jan, using the CHIP in you will rec the paypal receipts and a thank you email from Jan. I want to make this easy for all of you to help the family, J4, Amy J4s sister, me and the support team to make J4Ps life for the time he is there, as pleasant as possible.

If you decide to send the funds to the jail I will have to get the post finished that Jan asked me to put the info out.

This post took me 3 (end result was actually 6 hours) hours to type, time I would have been researching for some of that case law J4P is counting on arriving asap.

I am just submitting this post, forgive any typos its 430 AM, (9:30 AM final post) and I am tired of correcting the disinformation being posted out there, but that is also a "must do."

The money must go to granite, senders name must be on the MO...etc. One member posted some info from the DOC on this site. That was good info but remember that J4 is in a temp over flow holding cell.

DOG stop making this even more difficult for the dyer family by spreading the wrong info about fund and where to send them,. You seem to want to stop people from even mailing money to Jan Dyer who has laid about about 100,000.00 already.

His mother, Mrs Dyer and her husband John Dyer sent J4 another 3 boxes of clothing and all he was allowed to have, on top of the boxes shipped prior, for all they could send according to the jails list of limits.

Jan Dyer and John Dyer the mother and father of Charles Dyer are in charge Dog, no one else. These parents will starve and eat peanut butter and beans if they have to...before leaving her son with out all he needs, IMHO.

She mailed him 3 huge envelopes of some of the research she and our team did as per the request of J4P himself, which J4 received today!!!

I just today received the list of research and case law still needed to be found a printed.

Dog..Stop talking about such disgusting terms when it comes to the child...
...all you stated above simply turned my stomach and I am sure turned future people to help research, the way you stated all of it...none of that is NEEDED!! Stop posting disinformation DOG!!! just stop. No one has time to keep correcting your BS!

J4 was charged with 3 separate dates and 3 different abuse charges. One from the holidays 2009 /2010 is the one, the only ONE, J4 was convicted of.

All of the above info is wrong, I have read the examination from the dr. His testimony, and much of the other testimony. the dr is a family medial dr. he didn't have the proper tools, table, setting, equipment to photograph the child in proper position, he didn't even examine her in proper position. NONE of this matters right now...the lawyers have what they need for the use of the unqualified dr and his bogus examination.

This dr also testified he did about 80 of these exams, and said most of the 80 children he examined were unfounded, then the dr states on the stand, he had under 5 of his 80 exams that were not founded.

THE ONLY experience and training this unqualified dr has is a weekend seminar, and 8 hour freakin course in child sexual abuse. The lawyer have all of this covered and is working directly with J4 on this.

We need to find the list of case law J4 needs asap, all of it which I would be working on NOW but NO I am here attempting to keep YOU, DOG, from posting wrong info and misleading everyone here who are potential donator and future researchers!!!

Typing this post all night took us away from digging the case law and other info up that J4 requested.

http://www.rainn.org/files/reportingdatabase/Oklahoma/OklahomaChildrenMandatoryReporting.pdf


The above post by Dog, the one above this post I am adding now.... is not even close to what is needed to be researched right now. All of us were told exactly what is needed right now and non of what is needed is what Dog is asking you to research.

Please email me or Mrs Dyer if you want to help J4. The email addresses are below.

Over the passed years, I have posted much of this info in updates here. I have never mislead any one and you all know this and much was confirmed before I added info to this site you all verified just what I was posting and MY creditability.

I/we know what J4 was charged with and convicted, no guessing here like Dog is posting. All can be confirmed with Mrs Dyer. We have a team of people researching now anyone of you are welcome to join us.

We have been doing this kind of child abuse reading for near 3 years, I will warn you it is not pretty. Its very difficult to research this stuff, but this has to be done.

To make it easier I suggest you work with the list J4 mailed to his mother.

IF you want to waste your time looking up the above info, posted by DOG, by all means go on and do so, however we can sure use the extra help on the team in communication with the family and J4.

The charges all had J4 listed as a 51.1(a) second offender and 3 very different charges included under 2nd offender, all different.

Dog....THERE WAS "NO STRING OR RAPES"!!!

The 2nd offender label, which I posted before, made this very difficult to retain a law firm, until I found a law firm in TX with a PhD in law, we were going over his contract and I asked Jan for the charge again. She took this lawyers contract out and read the 51.1 (a).

Every time, over the years, we weeded out the hundreds of lawyers down to a few to hand over to Mr Dyer and J4, hours of talking were spent on the phone with J4 and the lawyers, I made several trips into NYC to locate various law firms.

Over the years, right before signing or J4 would be on his way to sign, driving to meet and retain several attorneys. Over 2 dozen different law firms, willing to take the case would suddenly and with out warning just stop taking calls from J4 and the family.

That 2nd offender label being found later by these lawyers in their online data they only have access to and pay for....made it appear J4, Mrs dyer and our team were telling the willing law firms a huge lie about J4 having NO PRIORS...
we could not figure out why and what happened so many lawyers suddenly said NO.


I found the error the beginning of 2011, Hammond did nothing to correct the charge, allowing 2 trials to take place with the 2nd offender to be on his file. Aug 15, 2011 would have been the 2nd abuse trial with the wrong charge on file, formally. Hoch had this corrected as soon as he was retained.

The point is, again, so NOT listen to this Dog, Errol....he is misleading all of you causing us all to waste valuable time needed to really HELP J4!! This is not a damn contest, this is NOT about Dog, or swan!!

This is NOT about any one of us or me or our team of supporters, this is ALL ABOUT REALLY HELPING J4 right now and valuable time being wasted CORRECTING THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO KEEP POSTING ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND HERE LIES AND DISINFORMATION...
we all need to help J4 asap with the proper info.

DO not allow these 2 to distract you IF any of you really really wish to help J4.

Do not allow this to happen, when I am offering you a way to help with the one who knows what is needed, Jan Dyer...

The research he needs are specific case law. IF anyone wishes to help I have a list of a few pages here that he needs found and the case law will be printed by Mr Dyer and mailed to J4.

Mystc4star@aol.com or send an email to Mrs Dyer directly missquilt42@yahoo.com. The above info is posted by the LIAR disinformation against to waste all your time and get nothing done to help J4 and his appeals attorney.

When is this forum going to stop Errol Medina from taking support from J4 and his family?

These people are not even in contact with the Dyers and it is wise to pay attention, if you doubt my words, and I have NEVER mislead any one of you in your updates for J4.

I am going to do exactly what I was asked to do here over a year ago....I was asked to keep you all updated back when I received the first email questioning the donations going to dollars for Dyer, bbnow,com, swans page.


I kept my word I will continue to post for support of J4 and his family and to BE sure all of you are kept up to date. I shall make sure these updates from Mrs Dyer, as usual, and are added here and Dogs lies will be corrected, by me.

I will not stand by and read DOGs disinformation posted in this forum or any other forum online, all members here interested in what is really going on with J4P will get the proper info from the family as I am asked to post it and correct Dogs errors. I will NOT- I will not stand be while DOG posts confusing information to knowingly mislead anyone.

The Dyers asked that I continue to keep this forum and others up to date as I have been doing these passed years.

You will be given proper info about J4 when I post in regards to J4 here. Nor will I stand by and read as any of you are lied to by Dog again!! I / we will not allow such lies to be spread online knowingly by dog, we will have no choice but to correct Dog until he gets it right or stops posting LIES to discourage supporters.

We plan on putting a stop to these lies Dog and swan are adding across the internet, they MUST Stop misleading people, scaring off other and new supporters and feeding everyone disinformation.

Dog posted himself that he was posting here for swan so though swan may not be posting herself, she is directing people, do NOT allow her to fool any one of you.


Reading this post I see Dog also making attempts to mess up the appeal for Dyer, csc you might want to be very careful here, just saying.

Lets get letters and cards out to J4 and his family asap....I found the greatest birthday card for our JULY4PATRIOT, somewhat a simple card but well done a handsome card. They word are perfect for J4, its in the mail already so going off memory....

...it reads something like this..."it not the amount of candles to count on your birthday, what really matters is how many people YOU have affected in YOUR life just for being you!" (and some other happy birthday words are there with 4 pages)

next up the posts i copied, at the request of Jan Dyer to add and the addresses will be included, lets send J4 a post card, letter and letters and don't forget the birthday card.

be safe
mystc

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With all the friends Dyer has on here he may be safer in jail than out.
If everyone could get their pent up emotions out of the blog and start addressing specific problems that relate to Dyer and not each others ego he may get a chance to appeal some day.
Till you all(I don't have a personal dog in this fray) can simmer down and stop pointing fingers no one can tell what is needed.
Sheesh!

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quote:
Originally posted by safetalker:
With all the friends Dyer has on here he may be safer in jail than out.
If everyone could get their pent up emotions out of the blog and start addressing specific problems that relate to Dyer and not each others ego he may get a chance to appeal some day.
Till you all(I don't have a personal dog in this fray) can simmer down and stop pointing fingers no one can tell what is needed.
Sheesh!

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That is the whole point safetalker & Greywolf.

A research topic for J4P?

Any thing that could possibly help J4P, that they can't mismanage, they attack.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57255771/Black-s-Law-Dictionary

They have been doing that since the very beginning, before they ever attacked me.

Did the exact same thing to Jonathan Irish, way before the day The Walfred Troll sent his message, which initiated full scale operations against me.

All Mystic can say to that, is that it wasn't her, it was her partner Amelia, doing the exact same 'chet, to a totally unrelated person.

First show had the Dec. 25, 2011 call, the first call, between me & Swan, with me stating, what I restated on May 31, 2012, and echos the position that I have maintained regarding constant themme of support for Mrs. Dyer.

"She has to do what's best for her son & if that means throwing Me, Debby , or you under the bus , you gotta respect her decision to do that. She is one of the real losers , the whole family is, including the wife & daughter / victim & their family.

So if our ( not necessarily yours , cuz I fully respect all that you have done. I was being a fake US observer , because we didn't have the money. That's why I took the job on 4UMF.com. "....EDOGZ818 on Mrs. Dyer

US Observer was supposed to generate publicity? WTF knows? Don't ask me what they do, ask them.

Funny thing is, why would they USO be against Chris & Swan when they paid the bill, and work with Mystic who didn't, after they refused to do it for free?

I didn't take the job to help Mrs. Dyer, I took it to help Charles.
Mrs. Dyer trust Mystic, according to Mystic, she trusts Rick & Amelia too, even after Amelia called Rick an informant, even after all the proof, and there is still more, like with Mystic, that they are informants, she still trusts them.

That compromises Mrs.Dyer.

So there you have it, Str8 out the horses hair, oh, mouth. Mystic is telling you, I don't bother Mrs. Dyer, don't email her, don't post on her wall, message her, or anything like Mystic does to aggravate and distract her, I'm speaking here, among my Patriot brethren.

Mystic is a proven liar, so you know she isn't telling the whole truth.

I bet they won't do a show with ME & Mrs. Dyer speaking to each other.

It's sad what they are doing to the Dyer family, from stressing Mrs. Dyer, to working against J4P, yet Mystic / Nancy won't put the chip in up on her own site, but wants to type a three hr pre planned post, to discourage researching case law to help J4P while he has limited access to the law library.

Mystic talking like she has a trail transcript or attended the trial, when that is clearly not the case.

Mystic is firmly against Charles / J4P handling his business directly, without a middleman that she can influence.

'Chet is sad!

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quote:
Originally posted by MystcStar:
...csc you might want to be very careful here, just saying.

You really do want to rephrase that, don't you?

For future reference, I do not react well to threats, veiled or otherwise, directed to ConSigCor, or any of the other administrators, moderators, or anyone else here at AWRM.

Onward and upward,
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A weekend seminar for certification on that sort of medical examination is about right, I can't imagine it taking longer for someone to go through some powerpoint presentations and show how that sort of thing works.

Now that we can show that James Nix (gossipboy) had stalked the Dyer family and apparently met with Valerie Dyer in 2009, he needs to be found and served with a subpoena of some sort and put through a deposition (questioning by an attorney).

It would really help a whole lot of someone who he was defaming launched a lawsuit against him, preferably something of a nature which would require Nix to have to get on the witness stand to explain himself, and it would even work out fine if it were under circumstances where Nix files a countersuit. Anything to fix his location, schedule and open up a courtroom dialogue which can then be cited in the Dyer case.

Would it be possible to find some victims of the rental scam on craigslist? If we can help even one or two of them to file the lawsuit, that would help fix the position on Nix, get him obligated to show up to court on a regular basis. The purpose is to get him convinced that his best course of action is to admit/boast of coaching Dyer's kid.

It would be nice to have the US Observer on board with this, but not absolutely necessary.

I think also he is the breed who would wave his
get out of jail free card at the first opportunity even on a civil matter and that will help expose who his government connections are.

What I would hope too is that we can get a composite picture of the FBI agent involved with this and see if it is the same guy who showed up to the Johnathan Irish child grab situation.

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Good idea Breacher, you gave me a good idea. Swan could sue Mystic for slander, along with Nix?


The Nix angle is interesting, what state is he in?
Who can file a Freedom Of Information act?

I could sue Nancy for libel, but she doesn't even has Ga$ money for Mrs. Dyer's trip to see J4, and we already know she's an informant, so that's a useless point.

Mystic would have to defend her $70 Million "E" fortune? A Freedom Of Information act might reveal plenty of redacted information on Rick & Nancy.....redacted to protect them.

May get lucky & get the proof of snitch payments during the case though.

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WOW, THAT WAS FAST. I JUST HANG UP THE PHONE AFTER A 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK

PRIOR TO MY CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK TODAY, HE HAD ___NEVER HEARD OF JAMES NIX OR "GOSSIPBOY"___

OF ALL OF THE MANY MANY CONVERSATIONS DEBBIE SWAN HAD WITH THEM, OF THE DAILY CALLS AND EMAILS FROM DEBBIE SWAN AND ERROL MEDINA, NOT ONE FUCKING SINGLE MENTION OF FOLLOWING UP ON HOW JAMES NIX COACHED VALERIE AND OR THE KID. NOT EVEN A "HERE IS WHAT ONE OF THE GUYS FROM THE INTERNET CAME UP WITH, CAN YOU FIND THIS GUY?"

Every single one of the people I thought was closer to the case than me told me that they were pursuing the James Nix / gossipboy angle and that the coaching of the child thing would be investigated and brought up with the lawyers and investigators. Now I find out the lawyers, provided through wram contacts were either kept ignorant or were purposefully ignorant.

The US Observer situation was entirely misdirected and wasted by Debbie Swan. Someone knew they would eventually be called in, then figured if they could hijack that situation, the US Observer investigation could be neuralized from the top, so that the primary order giver would continue directing their efforts away from what would most likely push toward winning the case.

Ed Snook and his investigator chafed at the "directives" from Debbie Swan because those directives were so far out of the ordinary in an appeals investigation that they did not make sense.

I may not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but I do eventually figure things out. Hopefully on this one, it is not too late for Charles Dyer.

I have concluded with making my personal recommendations to the BOI concerning the people all previously mentioned.

Valuable time has been lost and the chances of winning this case are looking dim because of it.

Edog's solution? more infighting and pretending again to not really know much about the Nix angle, sort of like shutting me down (repeatedly) on trying to identify a photograph of Ken Western so that we can find out whether or not he is the guy showing up with other politically motivated child abduction cases (like the one with Jonathan Irish's kid).

Yeah well, I try not to stay stupid dude.

Get the fuck out.

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I unlocked this topic at the request of others, so if anyone ANYONE close to the case wants to come up and fucking explain how the hell this all went on without Ed Snook not being told once about how James Nix is connected to this, explain away, or go away.

The choice is yours.

The consequences of the BOI are minimal, but bullshitting leadership in ways that would cost lives in a shooting conflict is a revolutionary field tribunal offense, and the sentences carried out under those circumstances are much more dire than any BOI would have to do with.

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Sure, I will gladly explain:

You shouldn't have locked it in the first place after your cowardly, baseless, inaccurate, lie filled attack on me anyway.

Should have asked me first, but since you didn't:

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EDOGZ818
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posted 08-17-2012 04:25 PM
@CSC, BOI, Greywolf, J.Croft, Safetalker, and the other good patriots ( or those that haven't turned out to be bad yet, I apologize for what Breacher is making me do...expose him for the informants / snitch that he is.

@ Breacher:
You attacked first, when you could have called, PM'd, emailed or whatever form of commo you have been using with me & got the full story before attacking me, or at least requested supporting documentation from the people pumping you up with BoolChet.

You shouldn't have forced the sword in my hand, or at least, on J4P's BDAY, and the eve of my own, you should have at least had a plan to deal with the lion's ( Me & J4 = Leos ) teeth, before you kicked him in the @$$.

By plan, I mean something other that getting "E" mauled.

****************************

On to the "E" Mauling of Breacher. Keep in mind I never wanted to do this, and wouldn't have exposed Breacher for the militia snitch that he is, if he hadn't done this:


http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000058;p=#000010

Obviously he should have taken more than 45MINS, talking to a stranger, who offered no documentation, as is already suspected of being a fraud and robbing J4P / Dyer.

After all, how hard would it have been to ask for & wait for verification before attacking?

I guess to him, I wasn't worth the extra effort to make sure his 'chet was correct, because he is an informant too, and was just waiting for the opportunity to turn on me.

It is a NETWORK. You expose one, the others protect, because their exposure is also at risk.

Like the blood test in John Carpenter's " The Thing".

They have too protect each other.

@CSC:
When I warned that the BOI was comprimised, I was talking about Breacher, but wouldn't out him, because he wasn't operating against Charles Dyer.

Remember, I'm only here to expose the Charles Dyer informants like Walfred, Nancy ( That Breacher supports, unconditionally, and I'll document that, as well as the reason why, he is a snitch too.

I've always treated his with respect, and since he refused to return the same respect, I no longer feel obligated to respect him.

Since he jumped on his fellow informants side and attacked me for them, I have to do what I have to do, to show YOU CSC, the truth.

You may not like it, but look at the dates, I could have been exposed him, but didn't, because he never violated Dyer. Now he has.

I spit the gospel like Bee Bee & Cee Cee, the first time a hairdo wanna see me, I get greasy and start grinning like "HEE Hee", then commence to firing, fire back, big Boom, you be like "What kind of Iron is THAT? <<<155MM Cannon Sound>>> There's no time to react, he's just the type of Informant I've been Dying to smack! " I'm so & so! I'm this! I'm that!" - but I told you before your just "Wick Wick" ( <<<In DJ scratching turntable voice) WACK!

Not sure if Breacher is on dope or dog food, but either way, he fired first, I'm just defending myself against his false attack by proving it false as well as supplying the motivation behind his actions, that Breacher is a snitch / informant, and supplying the documentation to support it.

If you already know that Breacher is an informant, and are okay with it, so be it, I'm just letting him know that it would be in his best interest to either stop attacking me, or stop snitching / working against Dyer.

This is all documented for verification, including his opening salvo. He has no documentation to support his claims.

On to the post that got Breacher washed:

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000058;p=#000010


WOW, THAT WAS FAST. I JUST HANG UP THE PHONE AFTER A 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK

PRIOR TO MY CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK TODAY, HE HAD ___NEVER HEARD OF JAMES NIX OR "GOSSIPBOY"___

OF ALL OF THE MANY MANY CONVERSATIONS DEBBIE SWAN HAD WITH THEM, OF THE DAILY CALLS AND EMAILS FROM DEBBIE SWAN AND ERROL MEDINA, NOT ONE FUCKING SINGLE MENTION OF FOLLOWING UP ON HOW JAMES NIX COACHED VALERIE AND OR THE KID. NOT EVEN A "HERE IS WHAT ONE OF THE GUYS FROM THE INTERNET CAME UP WITH, CAN YOU FIND THIS GUY?"

Every single one of the people I thought was closer to the case than me told me that they were pursuing the James Nix / gossipboy angle and that the coaching of the child thing would be investigated and brought up with the lawyers and investigators. Now I find out the lawyers, provided through wram contacts were either kept ignorant or were purposefully ignorant.

The US Observer situation was entirely misdirected and wasted by Debbie Swan. Someone knew they would eventually be called in, then figured if they could hijack that situation, the US Observer investigation could be neuralized from the top, so that the primary order giver would continue directing their efforts away from what would most likely push toward winning the case.

Ed Snook and his investigator chafed at the "directives" from Debbie Swan because those directives were so far out of the ordinary in an appeals investigation that they did not make sense.

I may not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but I do eventually figure things out. Hopefully on this one, it is not too late for Charles Dyer.

I have concluded with making my personal recommendations to the BOI concerning the people all previously mentioned.

Valuable time has been lost and the chances of winning this case are looking dim because of it.

Edog's solution? more infighting and pretending again to not really know much about the Nix angle, sort of like shutting me down (repeatedly) on trying to identify a photograph of Ken Western so that we can find out whether or not he is the guy showing up with other politically motivated child abduction cases (like the one with Jonathan Irish's kid).

Yeah well, I try not to stay stupid dude.

Get the fuck out.

--------------------
Life liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten them.


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Honestly, not sure what your angle is, but daily calls & emails between me & Ed Snook or any USO staff? You could have called me & asked me, before stating something as fact, when you don't have proof to support it.

"WOW, THAT WAS FAST. I JUST HANG UP THE PHONE AFTER A 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK

PRIOR TO MY CONVERSATION WITH ED SNOOK TODAY, HE HAD ___NEVER HEARD OF JAMES NIX OR "GOSSIPBOY"___

OF ALL OF THE MANY MANY CONVERSATIONS DEBBIE SWAN HAD WITH THEM, OF THE DAILY CALLS AND EMAILS FROM DEBBIE SWAN AND ERROL MEDINA, NOT ONE FUCKING SINGLE MENTION OF FOLLOWING UP ON HOW JAMES NIX COACHED VALERIE AND OR THE KID. NOT EVEN A "HERE IS WHAT ONE OF THE GUYS FROM THE INTERNET CAME UP WITH, CAN YOU FIND THIS GUY?"...Breacher

That is a lie and you know it.

Provide you proof of daily, or weekly, or even monthly emails between me & ED Snook. On YOUR Nix info, at $95 an HR, I wasn't interested in wasting $$$ chasing down leads. I told you to provide verification of Nix's involvement, in the form of at least a screen shot, which to date, you have failed to do. Nix's involvement as an informant is just as superficial as Nancy & Rick's roles as informants.

Did you pay the USO money to investigate Nix?
If so, then your issue is with them, not me, if you didn't kick up 1 penny to pay them, your issue is, uh, um, in the mirror.

>>In Reality.

What is the USO going to do with the information anyway, besides read it at $95 an hr?

What have they done to earn the 10 racks they received to work on Dyer's behalf so far?

Literally, what have they done?

Since you can't post the "DAILY" emails & calls between me & USO that you alleged, I'll end with the 1 email exchange that we did have, and let the board members judge if the USO has a legit reason to be angry at me for wasting their time or if YOU & them are lying.

Simple test. You should have know that you would be asked to provide proof of your false allegations, which is probably why you locked the thread?

SMDH @ Breacher:
Neither you nor Nancy paid the US Observer 1 penny, and you should both stop acting like you need me to keep reminding you.

What should I have told them, some unconfirmed scuttle butt for them to blame me for wasting the retainer? Post what you have to substantiate the Nix angle, unless you don't have anything, which is why I never brought it up.

Post it if you have it, or at least make up a good excuse on why you haven't and won't post it.

You should just sit back & let them work, if they are going to do any, but on too you next part:

"Every single one of the people I thought was closer to the case than me told me that they were pursuing the James Nix / gossipboy angle and that the coaching of the child thing would be investigated and brought up with the lawyers and investigators. Now I find out the lawyers, provided through wram contacts were either kept ignorant or were purposefully ignorant."..Breacher

Not sure what Lawyers you are talking about, or when you are claiming to have informed me about their existence, so post the proof of that too, if you have any. As I recall, you said Jim Stachs had the info & I told you that you had a better chance of getting info from Stachs than me, and to this day, you have presented nothing that can be documented. Zilch, Nada, Doo Doo sqaut, so again, miss me with the BS.

You said you were gonna call the USO back when you first heard they were involved....did you? Why or Why not?

It is your UNSUBSTANTIATED information, not mine. I had 3 convos with USO, first one to tell them that I was paying the other $5K and to contact me when they used up the first $5k, and needed the second. They never contacted me because they would have had to explain what they did for Dyer with first $5K.

I made it clear I wasn't giving them $5K to talk to Mrs. Dyer or Nancy, or even you Breacher, Charles Dyer, I'd pay the $5K for them to go speak with him. Speak with Nancy & Mrs. Dyer?...nah, you can pay $5K for that. In Fact, why didn't you?

Next Issue:
"The US Observer situation was entirely misdirected and wasted by Debbie Swan. Someone knew they would eventually be called in, then figured if they could hijack that situation, the US Observer investigation could be neuralized from the top, so that the primary order giver would continue directing their efforts away from what would most likely push toward winning the case." Breacher

What's funny is that you didn't even take the time to get both sides, or even check for verification, you just puppet-ed false claims with no concerns as to how it will make you appear, but I guess you were banking on locked threads, banning me or whatever to keep your story from being broken down under close examination.

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000058;p=#000010

Misdirected & wasted by Swan?
She paid the $10K, not you, so it isn't your determination to make about direction or misdirection, but since you put your foot in your mouth one too many times, let me help you get you 'Chet str8.

USO is documented saying that they wasted 6HRS on Swan's info.
$570 out of $10,000

That leaves $9,430.
Swan's info is that Informants targeted Dyer. If that was considered a waste, and they weren't even interested in "ANY" info on informants, how is Nix any different, when Nancy & Rick infiltrated his defense and interfered with his right to a fair trial?

It is all the same.
Nix / Your Buddies Nancy & Walfred that you constantly defend. Apples & Apples.

Only difference is, your info is undocumented / Unsubstantiated, and Swan's isn't. That is the only difference.

WTF you Swan to do? Write an appellate brief?
GTFOH!
She isn't a Lawyer, she raised the money for the USO to pursue the angles of the informants and the prosecutions misconduct, and paid them to do that.

Nix could have been included in that, had YOU or any one produced documentation to substantiate the rumors and justify the $95HR expense.

YOU didn't, so don't blame anyone but YOURSELF. Your idea, your connection to the proof. Jim Stach. If YOU didn't do your duty, accept the responsibilty & get started on doing it, but don't pass your screw ups on to me, Swan, Chris or even Nancy.

Here is something else documented along with the USO's claims the USO wasted 6HRS / $570 on Swan's info, they are documented asking for the info and appreciating it, telling Swan how great it is, all packed up & ready, as opposed to the time the spend checking out YOUR undocumented & unsubstantiated allegations.

For all that, I could have sent them Walfred's waste of time message along with yours.

They said that they were gonna prove Dyer's innocence again, ( In front of same prosecutor, judge, that screwed him 1st time. ) >>>YAWNZ

There is plenty of evidence that Dyer is innocent, zero that he is guilty, well, bottom line is this, don't blame Swan for the USO's failures or lack of effort, especially when you haven't spent $$$ to hire them like she did.

Your out of line, out of place, out of order Breacher, so foul, well, I'll deal with your foulness in a second.

Back to your cowardly hit & Lock post:


"Ed Snook and his investigator chafed at the "directives" from Debbie Swan because those directives were so far out of the ordinary in an appeals investigation that they did not make sense."...Breacher

Chaffed after Nancy & you? contacted them, up until then, they are on record speaking about how great Debby's info was.

Informants & Prosecution misconduct.

Now they repeating the same baseless slander line of drugs, sex , etc., without 1 shred of proof to support it, while facing a mountain of evidence to support the contrary....including their unprofessional-ism, and questionable business practices.

Not sure why you are doing what you are doing Breacher, but I have an idea & will address it right after I prove your post is incorrect and has an ulterior motive, demonstrated by your cowardly attack & lock style.

Why did you lock the thread?
You didn't want Dyer getting legal statutes to help his appeal?

Speaking of his appeal that you claim Swan misdirected via her USO directives, based on her money, why would you tell such a lie?

You knew you were lying, that's why you locked the thread & ran off like a lying coward:

Are you saying that the USO is handling Dyer's appeal?
The same USO that Nancy & Mrs Dyer scoffed at?
Dyer's public defender isn't handling the appeals?
That is the lie you are telling.

Ed Snook is an appellate Lawyer?
GTFOH!

You really thought locking the thread after telling that bold faced lie was gonna make that drop & slide move work?

How can the USO help or hurt his appeals?
Why are you spreading the lie that Swan can hurt J4P's appeals by outing the informants among us, to the people she payed to listen to her?

GTFOH!
The only plausible explanations for your obvious fuggery, is that you are either incredibly naive, incredibly stupid or both, or one of these compromised militia "LEADERS" that are part of the informants NETWORK.

Why else would you, as staff, violate AWRM rules on privacy?
"Respect the Privacy of Others - Do not post another member's personal information, be it his/her name, address, phone number, or likeness without that member's permission, unless that member has already posted his/her own information previously."

http://www.awrm.org/Rules.htm


"I may not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer,"..Breacher

>>>No argument there, about the only thing truthful in your whole post.

"but I do eventually figure things out. Hopefully on this one, it is not too late for Charles Dyer."..Breacher

>>>What is it that you figured out? That Nancy & Walfred are heroes, as well as liars and informants?

"I have concluded with making my personal recommendations to the BOI concerning the people all previously mentioned."..Breacher

>>>Well I haven't, and since you spoke up in the manner you did, I'm gonna submit some more info for the BOI's recommendations.
If you knew better, you would do better.
You had to know that I would respond to your post, unless you were high on bath salts when you posted that BS.


"Valuable time has been lost and the chances of winning this case are looking dim because of it."...Breacher

The case is looking dim because the USO wasted $570 of the $10,000 Swan paid them investigating her documented info?

You are trying to Blame Swan for the appeals, when the USO has nothing to do with the appeals any more than Swan does?

YOUR full of 'chet Breacher & I'll get into why in a sec.

"Edog's solution? more infighting"...Breacher

Another lie, my solution was to provide J4P with as much legal info to help him prepare his appeals as humanly possible, your hero Nancy stepped on the post with a pre-planned attack out of left field.
Safetalker & Greywolf witnessed it, so you are either going to have to convince them to lie for you & delete the evidence, or accept the fact that your BS lie doesn't hold up to even a cursory examination.

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000058;p=#000010

Proof is right there, your hero that you are throwing down your cape for started the infighting, so why are you knowingly spreading lies?


"and pretending again to not really know much about the Nix angle, sort of like shutting me down (repeatedly) on trying to identify a photograph of Ken Western so that we can find out whether or not he is the guy showing up with other politically motivated child abduction cases (like the one with Jonathan Irish's kid)." Breacher

Pretending not to know what about Nix? That you spread a rumor about his involvement with absolutely no documentation to support it? At least I have documentation supporting Walfred's involvement & knowledge, and never mentioned that, obviously the USO wasn't interested.

So again : GTFOH w/ That BS.

"Yeah well, I try not to stay stupid dude."...Breacher

>>>Obviously you try not to stay truthful either, but we will examine you further....you have my word on that.

"Get the fuck out." ...Breacher

On Ken Western:
Swan didn't feel comfortable Identifying him out of fear. Besides, he is just doing his job. Mystic, Walfred, Rick are different.

Yin & Yang
For Swan to be able to hurt J4's appeals, by the law of contrast, she has to be able to help it.

So what proof do you have that Swan is either preparing the appellate brief, arguing it, or voting on it?

If she isn't doing any of those, or actively denying him access to information, like you & Nancy are doing by stepping on & locking threads to get patriots together to do research for J4P, organizing it & getting the materials to him, I have to call it like I see it & the way I see it, you are full of 'chet & that's not all, not by far, why are you full of 'chet needs to be explored & it will be.

Daily calls & emails to USO:

Breacher, I am calling YOU a LIAR.
Prove it!
Infact, you won't post any of my emails to the USO because they show how screwed up YOU & them are, so I'll have to post them for you.

*******************************

@ BOI:
Complete series forwarded for independent verification>

8/9/2012
The previous contact with the USO was to tell them that I was responsible for paying the other 1/2 of the retainer.
What is in my emails to Ed Snook that makes him hate me?

You decide:
The emails start at the bottom & read up :
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Edog,

If you can’t understand why I won’t divulge information then you shouldn’t be delving into these matters.

I was in Ok only last week and returned on Tuesday – do you think I should be able to accomplish getting his conviction overturned when I haven’t even finished the investigation? Get real Edog. And, I have nothing to do with the appeal that Charles and his mother are working on – I don’t do anything with Appeals and have never purported to. Appeals only deal with issues that were part of the court record and they fail 97% of the time.

I didn’t ask Swan to turn on me, I don’t know all the others involved, only to read the mountain of evidence they are currently sending me and I wish that I hadn’t taken on this case in retrospect. Since I have taken it on I intend to keep my word and do exactly what my contract states.

If you would simply read the contract and a few of the cases we have done (www.usobserver.com) we could save all this time.

I don’t have the time to keep emailing to you and there is really no need. I have told you what I intend to do on Charles’ case and what I will do with Swan, and Mortenson if he doesn’t correct things by noon next Monday. You will find out soon how serious I am and just how good I am at my job.

Best Regards
Edward Snook

From: EDOGZ818
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:13 PM
To: ed@usobserver.com
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

Swan has credible evidence that Amelia and her husband are compromised. IMHO
As far as "HELPING" Chris, he hired you, via Swan, so that is a customer service issue that is for you to deal with. IMHO

You brought up the very successful trip to Oklahoma, I simply asked what defined the success, Objectively.

As far as public record, what has actually improved for Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot's situation.
Has the conviction been overturned? Has an appeal been granted?
Objectively speaking, what has changed for Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot for the better, as a result of the USO's trip?

From my understanding, you aren't going to say what you are doing or did for Dyer, or list the results you obtained that actually helped him, which naturally will lead to speculation on behalf of the customers who paid you, about whether or not anything was actually done, objectively speaking.

It seems that you are turning against the ONLY people who supported your initial involvement, for the sake of the people who initially scoffed at hiring you.

That is what it looks like from my perspective, and those of others.

I've heard plenty of accusations about Deb Swan, probably from the exact same sources that you have, but they haven't shown any supporting documentation any more than you have. In a con artist rich environment such as the current one surrounding the Charles Dyer case, I'm forced to believe none of what I hear and only 1/2 of what I am shown, but even in this current environment, Swan is the only one supporting her allegations with credible documentation, that isn't out of context.


Again, that is neither here, nor there, but if you are going to level an allegation against someone, you should either provide the proof at the time you make it, or be prepared to as well as produce it if you are asked to do so, IMHO.

Legally speaking, it looks like nothing has changed with Charles Dyer's case, so your description of the "very successful" trip to Oklahoma raises questions.


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Snook <ed@usobserver.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

Edog,

1. I am not telling anyone what I did that was successful because it would put a halt to what I’m doing if the wrong people learned of it. You can simply call the Dyers or Charles to see if Lorne and I were there and if they are satisfied with my work. They will tell you that they are and Charles will tell you that Debra needs to stay out of this if that is what I direct and that is exactly what I am directing.

2. To hurt and possibly destroy Dyer’s case, Swan has made it nearly impossible to get to the only witnesses that can overturn Charles’ conviction. I can’t get anymore specific. She has claimed that most of the folks like Amelia’s husband and numerous others were compromised and were working for the feds – she created a public storm that did absolutely nothing to help Charles Dyer. All of this has been done publicly, so everyone, including the alleged victims mother knows everything that has went on and everything that is going on publicly. I could never dream up a more incompetent covert operation that the one Swan has attempted. She doesn’t know what she is doing and she never has. The gun charge has been dropped so none of this is about the Feds now and the sex abuse charge never has been about the Feds in relation to what has to be proven to overturn the sex abuse charges against Dyer.

3. The public can do nothing to help me or Charles until I have the evidence I need. At that point I will show you how I use the public. In fact, the more public this case is now, the less chance there is of helping Dyer.

Now for Swan – I sent Debra a message via another person that she had until Friday at noon to unwind her lunatic complaint against me and to pull her bullshit YouTube propaganda. She was stupid or insane or both, as usual, and now I have to destroy her credibility, which she actually never possessed, among other things that I promise she will not enjoy.

Now for Chris Mortenson – I don’t know if you have contact with Chris, but if you do you need to tell him he has until Monday at noon to contact me and unwind his involvement. If you believe in backing your fellow service members like I’m told, you would be doing Chris a great service by coming to his aid because I am going to do the same things to Chris as I am to Swan and there is absolutely nothing that anyone, including yourself can do at this point to help Swan – You can still save Chris. I believe Swan actually filed Chris’ complaint and if this is true, he needs to get me something in writing stating this by noon Monday.


Best Regards
Edward Snook


From: EDOGZ818
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:08 PM
To: ed@usobserver.com
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer


What was accomplished to help Dyer during the "very successful trip" to OK?
I asked specifically what Swan has done to hurt Dyer's case and how she has the power to do so, so that I can attempt to curtail the actions in question, but you aren't telling me anything specific that I can address to help fix the situation.

What can the public do to assist you helping Charles Dyer?


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Snook <ed@usobserver.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

Edog,

I am not going to discuss anything we are doing on Charles’ case with anyone, as I won’t take the chance of jeopardizing our efforts.

I don’t work for free – If I and my team of investigators worked for free we wouldn’t have had the resources to get to OK and we would all be under a bridge. If you saw the contract and say that its not for you to decide that’s fine, but you can still read English and see that I have the right to drop any client at any time within that contract. I dropped Swan because she was pushing me to go in a direction with my investigation that WOULD HAVE NO SUCCESS in vindicating Dyer and she was overbearing and combatant with me. She seemed to want to a part of an effort that she knows nothing about and one that she would only destroy. This damn lunatic wouldn’t leave me alone and let me do my work - WHY?

She contacted Charles’ family when I requested travel money for the trip and told them I was compromised and not to send it to me. My contract clearly states that expenses are out-side of the retainer. She implied that I was defrauding them. Read the contract Edog – it is very easy to understand. Now Swan is calling me a Fraud and many other names for conducting this case in a 100% ethical and professional manner. In the end Swan and anyone who enters her delusion are going to pray to God that they hadn’t started this fight with me. I have opened a separate investigation into Swan and she has done this very same thing to many others. Too bad for Deb Swan.

Obviously I know what I’m doing if you look at my countless past cases. Swan and Mortenson don’t have a clue what they doing. If they were so intelligent, they would have Charles out by now and they wouldn’t have needed me. I have been working on this case for a very short period of time. Swan would not listen to me and now she and Mortenson have filed complaints with the Oregon Department of Justice against me. This was a big mistake on their part. First, the complaint will go nowhere because I have done exactly what I agreed to do in our contract and second, it was a mistake because I have to deal with Swan and Mortenson and they are not going to like how I deal with them. They asked for it and I intend to deliver.

As for Deb Swan hurting Charles’ case you need to figure that out. What I can tell you, without exposing the wrong info and hurting it worse is that she has nearly destroyed any chance to get his case resolved successfully and if I wasn’t so damn good Charles would remain a sex-offender for life – he might anyway.

Best Regards
Edward Snook

From: EDOGZ818
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:35 PM
To: ed@usobserver.com
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

I saw the contract, and honestly, The contract, IMHO, well, that's not for me to decide, so......

I find your conduct toward the people ( Chris & Deb ) who retained your services for $10K, to help Charles Dyer, inexcusable, considering that you wouldn't / didn't help Charles Dyer for free. That is just my personal opinion, but if you know something that I don't, about Swan, feel free to share it. I am very interested in getting to the truth of this matter, especially with Charles Dyer's life on the line.

As far as conspiracies, if you feel that there may have been a conspiracy against Charles Dyer, then I'm sure that you feel that Swan wouldn't give you $10K to uncover it if she was involved, nor would that conspiracy's conspire-rs stop conspiring against Dyer at this stage.

Swan spoke very highly of you, a yr ago, with Dyer on a radio show. Advocated getting USO first, then made it happen, via Chris, who literally, risked his life for that money to hire you, "LITERALLY" and for you to treat anyone like that, let alone A paying customer who openly supported you, as much as Swan did, is as much of a slap in your face, as it is hers, IMHO.

Especially since Swan risked her life and freedom to help Dyer flee when he called her and asked for assistance. Maybe you didn't know that, maybe you don't care, but either way, youR conduct in regards to Deb Swan isn't an asset to the image that the USO website conjures up. It isn't professional, any more than it is productive. IMHO


With that being said, please explain to me how Deb Swan has the power to hurt / help Charles Dyer's case, and what specifically has she done to hurt it and how can she help it

You said that the trip to Oklahoma was very successful:
Please define that success in terms of actual results?

Have you secured him a new trial?
Have you gotten the verdict reversed?
What exactly constitutes your meaning of " a very successful trip to OK on Charles’ behalf?"


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Snook <ed@usobserver.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

EDOG,

I just returned from a very successful trip to OK on Charles’ behalf. Prior to the trip I had discontinued talking with Swan because she didn’t understand what type of evidence I needed to obtain and she wouldn’t get off the conspiracies. There may have been conspiracies, but at this point we have to prove Charles didn’t do the crime.

Chris Mortenson also started with the conspiracies and I warned him that Swan is a very loose canon, that in the many weeks since they hired me that she hadn’t given me one single shred of evidence that would help Charles. He seemed to be under some type of control by Swan or he is infatuated with her.

In OK I repaired a lot of damage done to the case by Swan and got it turned around. When I returned home I had two complaints filed with the Oregon Department of Justice Consumer Department by Chris and Swan. This doesn’t bother me as they are spineless crooks and I have a very valid contract with Swan that states what I charge and that I can drop her at any time for any reason. I will actually enjoy beating on them.

What is difficult however is that Chris has become at odds with me because he has been deceived by Swan. I will destroy him in this process simply because I am ethical and I have done my job. If someone would read the contract Swan signed they would see this. I thought when I took this case on that all who called me, including yourself wanted to help Charles because he is innocent – this is absolutely not the case with Debra and I have sent word to Charles to stay the hell away from her or she will contaminate his case to the point of eliminating my ability to prove his innocence.

Chris and Debra are claiming that I have been compromised and that I stole their money and have lied to and threatened them. why in the hell would they do this to Charles? All anyone has to do is go to our website www.usobserver.com and they will see that I’m the last person on earth to be compromised – Enough said.

I can’t go into anything further other than to say that you only need to check with Charles and those close to him to see that I have done exactly what I was hired to do.

I spoke with Charles on the phone while I was in OK and he is doing fine and working on his appeal. He has one hell of an attitude.

Ed

From: EDOGZ818
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:24 PM
To: ed@usobserver.com
Subject: Deb Swan / Charles Dyer

What is going on with Deb Swan?

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@ Breacher:

Don't forget how you were on the show defending Walfred, and behind the scenes begging me to stop exposing the snitch:


-----Original Message-----
From: Portland Foldingbikes <portlandfoldingbikes@yahoo.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:36 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Christina proof she is connected to feds

Ok, you are now off the hook, this looks like straight stuff. Just back off walfred in the forum. Do you have more of this? Is hannan a name she uses anywhere else?

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Why do you protect Walfred & nancy so much when they are obviously bad?

Why do you pretend like protecting those informants helps Dyer? Do you feel the same way about Nix?

Your full of 'chet Breacher & I'm not done with you yet, not by far. I told you that I was only after the Charles Dyer informants, and never went after any other informants in the network, unless they threw down their cape for their fellow snitches, like you did for Nancy & Walfred.

You made yourself a target. Now you showing your @$$ as I blast into it!

Your call, not mine.
When you swung, you should have had a plan based on me swinging right back, if you didn't, then you truly are either a fool, or or puppet getting your strings pulled....or both.

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@BOI:

Since Walfred, um, Breacher has forced me to defend myself against his baseless / undocumented / Unverified actions, he forces me to defend myself with the supporting documentation, illustrationg Breacher's participation with / in / defending the network of Informants by posting his PM's which support my position that his recent attack was not only unjustified & baseless, but also part of an overall action.

>>>For the record:
Swan wasn't comfortable ID'ing a fed, and I wasn't comfortable with her doing it, based on possible legal ramifications.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-07-2012 03:16 AM
You don't recognize Debbie for what she is? I was told that you are a Muslim. Consider yourself eh, "privileged" to have one of them around you during this part of your life, some call it a curse, but the more you learn about them, it is just something from a different world, of sorts. Personally, I think it is cute that she is trying so hard to be an Angel and I think he efforts are probably genuine, that's probably, not definitely.

I am 99% certain that while she is definitely a "person", she is not a person like you would think although she has human vulnerabilities and needs of a sort. I am not saying this in hatred, but well, I think in a year or two you will understand this, unless you are one too and have been insulting my intelligence. Might as well learn and it will be one of the more important lessons in your path in this world.

Her path in this world leads her to these things, it is inevitable and the nature of her kind since salvation for them runs a little differently than the rest of us. I am not doing this out of hostility, but honesty. I profess Christianity but come from a partially Jewish background and have studied Islam a bit more than I admit elsewhere.

http://www.muslimsandtheworld.com/935/other/reviews/video-reviews/interview-with-a-muslim-jinn-audio-review/

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-07-2012 08:01 AM
There are different kinds of Jinns.

Good & Evil.

It has crossed my mind, not exactly as a JINN, per say, but yes, a spiritual connection is somewhere in all this.

One day, banned from WRAM, July 17th, at noon, I was checking for news on my brother Marine J4P, & came across this petition to have the Charges Against Him Dropped.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/charles-dyer-charges-need-to-be-dropped-states-evidence-shows-he-is-innocent/

12:03, Jul 17, Name not displayed, PA

I signed it #1, signed it again, 5 Months & 100 signatures later, on Dec 22nd, after first making contact with Swan, have youtube message screen shotted for proof.

07:54, Dec 22, Mr. E-DOGZ 818, PA & helped get 150 signatures in 1 month.


Matthew 7:15 " By Their Fruits Ye' shall know them"...Jesus

So far, who is bearing bad fruit?
Swan or Nancy, Rick, Walfred, Amelia, Sarren, Shane?

They all wanted, by their actions & words, to get Charles Dyer in prison, Deborah's actions & words were the total opposite, to keep him free.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-07-2012 08:19 PM
Oh no, the breed is far more complex than that. Probably actually trying to help Charles in order to work off the consequences of some old sin, but the nature of the creatures is the nature.

I really don't know the big picture on the others, or even the whole picture on Debbie, but I have seen enough real operatives that the only one I think really is out of the crowd is Rick Light, but even on that, I am not entirely sure. You never are sure until someone is sitting in court and knows. The only people out of all of this who I know can positively identify undercover operatives and snitches at this point are the Hutaree, and their situation is buried in what I am told is millions of pages of paperwork, but info I got from someone relatively close to that is they figure they will eventually find something on Rick Light there too.

I disagree on the situation with Walfred and Nancy, and just don't know enough about Shane. I talked with him once, my instinct told me it would not be productive, so I never went out of my way to contact him again.

Amelia and Darren are just players out for the benefit of their local situation. Jim is fairly certain that Darren is the person who had been leaving threatening phone messages for him, with his mother. Sleazy fucker. I would have to go root around with my FL contacts in person to see what is going on with Darren and Amelia, but I suspect they are just protecting what they think is their turf there.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-08-2012 04:11 AM
Nah, protecting Turf, doesn't fall under befriending Dyer & taking actions against him behind his back.

Darren & Amelia ...I think one has a badge.
Amelia?

Darren has an arrest for every bump on your face.

Plenty of proof on nancy, what do you need to see?
Sabotaging Donations? Support?
Birds of a feather flock together & she is still flocking with Rick light.

Press her on Rick Light being bad, directly & exclusively & see how she reacts. Prove to her that he did Dyer dirty, let her know that you know & take it from there.

Why hang with a snitch, if you aren't one too?
Think about it. That's like me hanging out daily with Lackomar.....it ain't gonna happen.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-08-2012 05:26 AM
Nobody is getting banned, and I am asking to have the topics deleted. We can't have the public image of being an infighting bitch fest, but a lot of useful stuff is coming out of this.

This thing is such that I need more from Jim, so I am telling Nancy to go kiss his ass if necessary because I am fairly certain I need his testimony too.

Are you in PA or Oklahoma? I need someone to track down a guy who I think Nix had been trying to blackmail, and see if the guy would be willing to testify.

I want to re-focus right now. Anyone not going along with the re-focus is going to get more than axed from the entire network, but a bunch of the leadership just wants to write off everyone involved. People are bailing AWRM right now, its killing the board. I don't want to get blamed for it.

Jim will not confirm or deny whether Mike Hollingsworth is connected to Kurt Hollingsworth yet he claims to be on good terms with Mike Hollingsworth right now, Nancy will not answer several questions about Rick Light.

It basically is at the point that if they want to maintain their status, whatever that is, they still need to do this thing of coordinating the defense on the appeal and against Nix.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-08-2012 05:55 AM
Not understanding you at all.

Why delete / edit anything?

What happened to letting the Chips fall where they may?

Now your saying you want the same people who screwed up , leaked , tampered with the defense & still allied with Rick Light to run J4P's appeal?

Why would you want THEM to run the appeal? Nancy, Rick, & Amelia?

Walfred already said Nancy's cohorts set up J4P, Nancy already sabotaged his donations.....do you want to see the proof of Nancy shutting down his fundraiser, advocating that swan should be jailed for helping J4P?

I'm pretty sure the CLC will be indicting Nancy as well, along with Shane, Darren & Amelia & they are looking very closely, in fact, they already looked, it may be just an issue of Swan filing a formal complaint.


Look what safetalker said in the thread. You gonna let them hoodwink all the young, unknowing patriots on your watch? Set them up too?

Have the mods call me, email, PM, skype, send a carrier pigeon , send a smoke signal, play a bongo, whatever it takes to contact me, so I can explain the situation to them clearly, show them the proof, or better yet, I can write an article & put the proof in there & post the link?

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-08-2012 10:41 AM
Because I am tired of seeing a clipped and copied post of the same laundry list of accusations against people blasted all over the forum and we have nothing to do with that common law court, its function, its "jury selection" or I shudder to think, anyone carrying out its judgements.

The last hing I need is for those people who are after Nancy in NYC to do something to her and then pin it back on the CLC and this website for hosting the guy who is making all the call for action against her so we can get in trouble or get hauled out to some grand jury somewhere. No, I don't do CLC or sovereign citizen stuff here.

Nobody from the CLC is contacting me with their credentials or panel, or publishing anything on their own. You apparently made a complaint, and if they want to look into it and all, then sure, I am interested in seeing where the chips fall on that, but don't insult my intelligence with posting a diatribe of hate, accusation and innuendo then figure that because we are not actively deleting it and banning you that we are backing it up as fact.

That's not chips falling where they may, that throwing shit around.

Nobody "set up" J4P on the rape charge except the Ex-Wife, so why do I have to continue wasting my time pointing that out?

Who the fuck is this "CLC" anyway? I saw something about them at the WRAM site, and it looked like it was being run by Rick Light himself. I am putting a high standard of proof on this stuff, not some conclusions based on innuendo.

People on prison yards all the fucking time throw accusations around about someone being a rat, and you know what the response is always on the federal yards? its called "show me the paperwork", and nowdays, all of that is so easy to fake, that the paperwork also gets examined and verified by an outside source if and when possible before any adverse action is approved. Nobody calls a hit based on rank alone, or "a real sincere story" alone.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-08-2012 11:04 AM
Research the CLC & contact them.

They don't reach out to contact, unless acting on a complaint.

Gary Hunt, credintials, Waco, OKc, Ruby Ridge


Paperwork, what paperwork, did they testify, no, but that doesn't mean they aren't snitches.

If a guy gets pulled over for a burnt out turn signal, find a bag of weed in his pocket & to get out of it, tells on his supplier but doesn't testify, is he an informant?

What proof do you want? I can back up everything I claim, with documentation.

Who is after Nancy & Why? & if so, why is she all over the web & not hiding?

Not issuing a call to action, just a warning, and exposing their actions to warn Patriots, so they can spot them & avoid the same peril that entrapped J4P.

Wife set up? maybe? Nix? etc., but that has nothing to do with THEIR / Nancy's actions in the case / support group.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-08-2012 11:16 AM
Nancy said someone was calling her house or something like that, and she thinks she was being followed.

Some of that was happening in connection to her local lawsuit and someone made an attempt on her life by trying to run her off the road. We think that was connected to the county attorney where she lives, the people she is suing for the police brutality incident. I traced one of the treats a year or two ago to a phone owned by a cab company dispatcher in NY. We think at some point someone just borrowed the phone to make the anonymous call, but some other indications are that someone at that outfit had connections to some dirty works crowd that does stuff for the ADL.

The problem is someone capitalizing on the opportunity to harm her and blame it on you, us, or someone associated with the CLC or whatever. Nancy has pledged huge financial support of she wins her case, and your stuff might screw that up, especially if the locals in NY kill her and then point here as it being "an infighting incident". Don't forget, the opposition was already crediting the torching of Dyer's house to "infighting".

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-08-2012 12:19 PM
Yeah, but that scenario is a lot thinner that her being an informant.

She is high profile enough to where if they wanted her, they would get her for filing the lawsuit.

Patriots killing her? They won't even call her out, let alone donate $1 for Dyer, so that scenario doesn't add up.

She choked Dyer's defense by limiting his funding.
That much can be established through PAPERWORK. Left the back door open for Rick light to infiltrate, no, gave him the keys.

Was Walfred lying when he said Jim & Travis set up J4P?
If so, why was he spreading false intel / disinfo, and if not, why is Nancy running the defense support for Dyer, when her friends set him uP?

P.S. Listen to the show, where Shane takes credit for doing all the research behind the scenes on the launcher case....and how it led to his acquittal.....directly.

What research have they done....that uncovered something that the feds didn't already know?

Agent Gene pool was caught lying on the stand, that is why he was aquitted, along with your airsoft theory.

Shane played no role & was brought in solely to muscle Swan...& Me?...well, maybe not me, LOL, but definitely Swan.

He was doing a radio show called The Three Amigos or something. Nothing about J4P.

Let me know what you think I'm lying about & I'll show you the paperwork. It's that simple, if I was lying, I would have been torn apart already, but I'm not asking anyone to take my word for anything, or accept my credibility, I'm showing "VERIFIED / VERIFIABLE " documentation, no opinions, etc. It's all documented.


Challenge me, please...I'll show you everything, then you can take it & challenge Nancy. Fair enough?

Rick & Amelia are bad, you have already admitted that & if you need more proof, I'll gladly provide it. Nancy is still with them.


You already told her yourself that they are bad & she is still with them....that says a lot.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-08-2012 04:50 PM
Gene Pool, that is not his real name you know.

Seriously, I need this whole sideshow to go to the sidelines for about six months while we are in the appeal process. There is nothing those people can do to really fuck this up except get heavily involved in this whole sideshow of yours.

I will deal as directly as I can with the US Observer people since I just got told that you are not the most direct route on them.

I will be confronting Rick Light with a few issues in the next few days.

I don't give a fuck about Shane, I heard some of that stuff too. Seems like the type of guy who wants to get into something to make friends or something. Convince me that he is anything but a nobody.

That thing with Walfred and Travis and those accusations going around, that was all people with opinions.

Those people all bounced their theories on that and on my analysis I told them the same thing I told you, but yeah, there was a time they were all pointing the finger thinking someone set dyer up, but that's not the rape charge though.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-08-2012 06:58 PM
True, the rape charges, all they did was choke his defense budget, demonize him publicly, etc.


Nothing has materialize in the form of documentation on your end?

Maybe your not seeing what I'm seeing, but Walfred swore his statement to be true.

Nancy, Rick & all of them did what they did for a reason. Flipped like a light switch, and the personal beef doesn't fly, they have no legit personal issues to justify any friction with people they never met.

How is exploring the set up hurting his appeals, instead of helping?

This is what baffles me, everyone who makes that claim, fails to be able to explain how it negatively impacts him, & the flip side, how would helping to hide it help him?

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-09-2012 03:45 AM
No, why would something materialize in the form of documentation on my end? I am a thousand miles away from everyone else on this thing.

Walfred just expressed an opinion, that's it. Maybe the opinion of a few other people around him, but it was just that - their opinion after looking at the case and the situation. Nothing more and nothing less. You need to back off on him, now. I got nothing about him showing up and testifying, and early on he decided not to go to Oklahoma and get involved in the shitstorm there.

Nobody "flipped" on the rape charge, it just does not work that way with those types of crimes. There was no set-up at the point the rape was alleged to occurred except maybe by the ex-wife and someone she would have been in communication with way back then, before any of these johnny come lately people ever knew Dyer or knew of him.

The weapons thing, pretty obviously and I am the openly and regularly recognized subject matter expert on that shit, was just a fuckup. Dyer did not do a good enough job of hiding his shit and the ex-bitch along with gossipboy and probably a few guys in Dyer's old unit who were fucking Dyer's wife at the time probably told the cops they could go looking for illegal weapons.

Notice, NONE of those people showed up as character witnesses, pro or con.

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Member # 4255 posted 07-09-2012 06:11 AM
True, but understand this, I am not saying they FLIPPED due to the rape charge, what I am saying is that the NETWORK of informants were already entrenched & fully operational & were assigned to J4p.

It's not like they got caught with a bag of weed & flipped to work it off, no, they were already flipped, a long time ago. Operatives / Under covers.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-09-2012 06:20 AM
I checked on some of that stuff from Christies email, if it is the same Christie, not sure I want that confirmed right now but lets assume it is.

She is reporting to that constable guy, I found him but no indication that he works against the militia types. If anything, he is finding them jobs with law enforcement on mundane type stuff in order to provide them with protection and enough possible authority that they could survive a traffic stop if found with weapons. That would explain why her protection is thick enough for some things, but not thick enough to protect her from CPS outside that state.

I am sure the most valuable thing to Jim would be that folder on him. I saw it on the left side there "JIMS" folder.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-09-2012 08:09 AM
Let's assume it isn't the same christie, I think I was confused, that is Chritina Hannah, Rick's associate.

File on Jim, yes, there is one, but at this time, can't release it, or won't.

If Jim wants to bargain for it.....that's a seperate issue.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-09-2012 10:43 AM
Yeah well, who knows. A bunch of the other groups were doing research on Jim back when he got in RT America and there was some thing that had the foreign governments looking at him as some sort of main representative of the militias.

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Member # 4255 posted 07-09-2012 11:53 AM
Why? Obviously he positioned himself as some type of leader / spokesman, like Rick, Amelia, Walfred, Sandman369, Nancy, Darren , etc did

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-09-2012 07:12 PM
No, Jim made a much bigger move; he presented himself internationally as a leader. Lots of foreign powers have wanted to open dialogue with the militias in the US but previously were told to take a hike since most of the militia leaders are into the isolationist John Birch society stuff.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 07-10-2012 04:45 AM
Do you believe that Militia LEADERS position themselves, and present themselves as National leaders, for ulterior motives?


Motives to set people up?

What made Walfred Say / Believe Jim & Travis set up J4P? What was his basis?

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Member # 1119 posted 07-10-2012 01:50 PM
Oh sure, that is always a concern, but you stretch things too far to come to conclusions.

Show me how you think Kevron and Rick Light are in any way connected. That is a big big stretch right there.

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"Dude, I feel for the Debbie situation and while I openly am obligated to defend Nancy, I got some warnings from my lawyer about her."...Breacher

Why are you openly obligated to defend a snitch / informant?

Are you one too Breacher?
Wait, I'll answer that for you, YES!
Here is the proof that Breacher is part of a NETWORK of informants / snitches:

"Believe me, I tried making a deal with the feds a while back. I kept some contacts with the Iranians on the back burner of sorts (still do to a degree), just in case something happened and I needed something juicy to trade to the feds for a ticket out of jail. I tossed the feds a cache location (the shit was mine anyway) as a good faith offer then laid out the Iranian deal. You know what? The cocksuckers still used the cache handover against me and threw the Iranian thing back in my face like it was nothing. Same with some some other fairly solid stuff some of the "network" would have been willing to help out with if the feds would just let me function. We had been keeping a few tabs on real criminals but the intel guys don't hand it over to the feds for free, it gets handed over when we need something from them,"...Breacher

"These new feds, they are stupid and brutal man, you can't reason with them or deal with them." ...Breacher

>>>@ Breacher: How the fugg would you know that you can't deal with the feds unless you tried?

I never spoke about your snitching Breacher, helping Dyer was my only concern, so your snitching I just dismissed, but now that you are officially a Dyer / J4P informant, with a flick of my wrist, I ball up my fist, I hate a J4P snitch, and right now you at the top of my list!

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There is more Breacher Snitch:

"So on the old deal, if one of our guys got too much heat, it was just a matter of tossing the feds a doper, or preferably, a doper who had lots of cash which of course never turns up after the feds move in on him, commie doper even better, which you used to be able to find without trying too hard in California. With all of this terrorism shit going down, it was just assumed that the feds would trade letting one of our guys off if we kicked them some Arabs, but no, some other shit is going down. They flat turned down a deal where they would have easily gotten $150K in money plus burning some Iranian government reps who were wiling to meet me in Europe. It's that bad man. In the old days, a call to the US attorney with an offer of services for a set period of time could get someone off. Your group would do some "mission impossible" shit and they would ransom your guy out of jail."..Breacher

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If that isn't the definition of snitching, what is? Calling the cops to stop an old lady from getting mugged?

GTFOH! You are a RAT! A Snitch. You set up other people to get yourself out of trouble. These are your own words, no water boarding needed. That's why you locked the thread, because you knew after that BS cowardly attack & lock attack, I could respond with documented info to clarify the matter.

No way around it, you are a self admitted snitch.
What now, gonna blame me for your history of snitching?

"Now they don't play that with us,"...Breacher

How would you know unless you tried to snitch since the last time you did snitch?

"apparently since our street credibility is in the pits,"...Breacher

That is because Patriots are becoming more and more aware of your snitching, so GTFOH talking that BS that I'm doing stuff to hurt Dyer, you fugging snitch.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-20-2012 02:58 AM
Hey this feud thing is turning into a shitstorm. We are discussing it in the mod forum and don't know what to do yet. Some guys are talking about trying to implement some sort of board of inquiry type system.

It has been decided to let the thread keep going for intel purposes, but here is one problem. I got wind of a weapons network leading out of some .gov stockpiles, dudes liberating hardware and distributing it. Obviously at great risk to themselves, and from what I can tell, sometimes it is "sold" sometimes given away, but the general rule is that it is going to patriot movement people for the most part just some gangbanger types got their mitts in some too but it is unclear whether or not it is the same stuff.

Issue is I was asked to help come up with a cover story to get Dyer off, as a courtesy. Once upon a time, I was shall we say, in business. I just never did business with Dyer or his group or any of these guys directly, so they figured it was safe for me to do the talking because if I got squeezed, my info from my old business is all old and out of date, and the feds once squeezed me real fucking hard (as in chained to a wall in an isolation cell, and then held in lockdown for years). I got hurt badly, but this intel network that Walfred alludes to, if it is the same people, and I am not sure, but even the feds are afraid of it.

I heard some other shit about Walfred a while back but never got it verified, if he is with that network or not, but if he is, its points for him, if not, then I don't know, since someone else was accusing him of some stuff last year and it did not stick. Thing is, it can mess shit up to "expose" anything on the weapons deals. Its done and over with, and from what I gather, the story I came up with on the airsoft thing worked. I mean shit, it was 3/4 bluff and I was told by my connections such a long shot that even the airsoft experts refused to go on camera about it.

Dude, I feel for the Debbie situation and while I openly am obligated to defend Nancy, I got some warnings from my lawyer about her. Thing is, if, hypothetically thinking, there is or was some weapons pipeline leading out of Ft Irwin, we can't fuck with it if it was leading to our people. If dudes don't want to partake of the bounty, all they have to do is say no thanks. If they want some goodies, then the need to be adult enough to know how to hide or cover for the shit and if caught, don't go taking down the network. That's basic man. I got tortured over that and minimized the damage when I got burned by taking as much of the heat as I could and not letting it spread. That's how I got "vetted". Now some guys just checking military pedigree, that's not quite how it works and is going to lead to some major fuckups, mainly because there are some veterans out there who are just too hardwired to play the authority worship thing. Thing is now, locally, dudes won't associate with me because they figured I would "stir up shit" by calling out snitches, and then nobody will meet with me face to face, but they know I took the hit without ratting.

This ratting people out shit just can't be happening, and dude, you don't need this explained to you on the weapons deals. We are not even ratting Rick Light on tossing a shotgun to Debbie even though it looks like it was a setup. There is some things you "expose" and some that get handled in a back room somewhere.

I don't think Rick Light is a fed, he is just some piece of shit obviously spending a lot of effort kissing up to them. That shit about sitting with the fed during the trial. A real operative/handler thing would never ever professionally get handled that way. Now a piece of shit trying way to hard to kiss ass, yeah, I could see that.

From what I can tell, too much time passed between Dyer getting the 203 and the thing getting found for that to have been a setup, but then there was apparently the issue of it being given without the appropriate ammo. It gave too much time for the thing to be passed on or hidden or someone to find ammo from another source. If someone hooked him up and he accepted, we can't participate in any way in burning the people who hooked him up. It is just bad business ethics and could get our people shut off from assistance in the future if shit got real.

You now why I don't show close-ups in my videos any more? It is not just the disguise and change of appearance thing. Back in prison there was this one time the guards had me cuffed and were jamming my face into the bars of a holding cell, grinding my teeth up on the steel. My teeth held, but cracked. I am not some doper with meth weakened teeth or anything, but nobody can take that much steel bar to the face without permanent damage. One gave way a little over a year ago, some other old dental work (from a baseball hitting me in the face) failed, I got no dental coverage and I don't go whining online about it since I know the sadistic fuckers would be taking pleasure in it. They made it clear that if I officially complained, it would go nowhere or just result in even more retaliation. One fed probation guy "offered to help" like it was some point of generosity since some judge apparently heard about it, so they gave me an "appointment" to go see a "free" dentist. Shit, the line stretched around a city block. It was just a dig they could gloat over.

Dude, don't do shit that would make the enemy gloat over us. Me and the other moderators are now curious about Walfred, but since this could go either way, we want the option of keeping that out of the more open side of the forum. Thing is, I personally will not allow this place to be a mechanism for burning dudes who handled some business for the militia community. Man it sucks dyer got busted, but the thing he got convicted on was the sex issue, we had zero control over that. I am trying to come up with an angle to get him off, but you can't expose any of the weapons business on this.

Believe me, I tried making a deal with the feds a while back. I kept some contacts with the Iranians on the back burner of sorts (still do to a degree), just in case something happened and I needed something juicy to trade to the feds for a ticket out of jail. I tossed the feds a cache location (the shit was mine anyway) as a good faith offer then laid out the Iranian deal. You know what? The cocksuckers still used the cache handover against me and threw the Iranian thing back in my face like it was nothing. Same with some some other fairly solid stuff some of the "network" would have been willing to help out with if the feds would just let me function. We had been keeping a few tabs on real criminals but the intel guys don't hand it over to the feds for free, it gets handed over when we need something from them, and never ever is against our own people in the patriot community. As a point of diplomacy right now due to some arrangements from prison, are are also not going to be running any ops against the Black Muslims or the Panthers, but that's us here. Other people in other places are doing their own things differently. We probably have to open up some diplomacy with the queers on the Nix issue, but I think it will work out OK. The queers actually helped some friends of mine with some info a while back that was followed up on and used to shut down million mom march back during the Clinton years.

These new feds, they are stupid and brutal man, you can't reason with them or deal with them. The fuckers are so dirty, so in bed with the cartels, we just don't have anything to offer them but the "bodies in jail to meet the quota" thing, and that's what they will gloat over if you use the Dyer case to "expose" a weapons distribution network.

So on the old deal, if one of our guys got too much heat, it was just a matter of tossing the feds a doper, or preferably, a doper who had lots of cash which of course never turns up after the feds move in on him, commie doper even better, which you used to be able to find without trying too hard in California. With all of this terrorism shit going down, it was just assumed that the feds would trade letting one of our guys off if we kicked them some Arabs, but no, some other shit is going down. They flat turned down a deal where they would have easily gotten $150K in money plus burning some Iranian government reps who were wiling to meet me in Europe. It's that bad man. In the old days, a call to the US attorney with an offer of services for a set period of time could get someone off. Your group would do some "mission impossible" shit and they would ransom your guy out of jail. Now they don't play that with us, apparently since our street credibility is in the pits, and yeah, most of us are white, a bunch of the feds are nonwhite now, and the reality is they just want to play race game payback. Even on the non-race thing, the fuckers come up with some queers with an axe to grind, and play it that angle. I heard one of the BATF guys on my case (the one who laughed off being turned on to the Iranian deal) was queer, all bent out of shape over the fact that I once blackmailed a gunny who caught me with weapons in the barracks and I played it that if I went down, he would burn for his queer thing since we had proof of him using a queer escort service off base (but apparently did some arrangements using a duty phone which had records of it we could dig up).

Until things change (a lot) you just can't deal with the feds right now. You won't get a fucking thing substantive by burning the weapons network. Not when they already have a guy on a 30 year thing. They are just too greedy and unreasonable. If you cannot directly and substantively beat the rape charge itself, you will be hosing us pretty badly on this. Man, it's 3AM and I can't sleep now. I don't want to go have nightmares about you still not getting the rape charge beat and then in the course of this the feds get to bust more people on the weapons charges.

Go on the Nix angle, it is the absolute best thing going right now for beating the actual conviction.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-21-2012 03:51 PM
The nix angle = good

Mind you, I'm not running the show, strategizing, etc, but best believe that I am willing to try all angles.

I'm just trying to hold these informants publicly accountable.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-22-2012 05:28 PM
I had a long conversation with Debbie and dude, you know she is not quite all there. I had a friend whose wife got like that whenever she ran low on weed or he cut her off for a while.

We are trying to figure out the best way to do the snitch callout angle, but the problem is the default would also expose who the righteous guys are, and get them targeted by the feds. That's not even getting into the situations where we give the guy some tidbits to toss to the feds to get him off something and yeah, it's "informing" but we make sure that the most the feds get is either old information or some dead end stuff.

There was a case in CA that went sort of sideways where I did that strategy, got the guy a sentence reduction and as far as I can tell, he just sent the feds on a wild goose chase. When I got busted, they threw his name out like he was the main informant, and then I instantly knew who was and who was not, because that guy had done what he was told and only given the old info, and the feds had busted me on something that only could have come from a different guy.

It was that original case where we learned the feds were no longer holding to any of the old style deals where a first time offender gives up the evil toys, gives a name or two, then walks. It used to be that although someone gave a name, the guy would get some warning, maybe make some nonadmissible statements to a known cop or on a tapped phone then make sure any real evidence would never be found or a good cover story would be formulated. What they did to that guy was actually make promises on paper, then locked him up in isolation, no lawyer, no phone calls, drugged him off an on for 18 months, then he got to the point where he would sign any statement or confession against anyone, but even at that, he apparently looked so beat up they figured they would never be able to use him in a courtroom or for any actual buy-bust operations.

That's the other tactic and it is a tough play, but as soon as any interrogation session breaks that threshold of torture and intimidation, throw the fuck down, you get beat up, but believe me, it is pretty satisfying get a few good punches in on some cocky bastard in a suit too. The issue is they will hide you from your lawyer and the courtroom until you heal up, and that gives your buddies enough time to get away, cook up a good cover story, or move a cache.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-22-2012 07:29 PM
To protect the righteous, only call out the bad.

Me Vs Walfred

I'll stick to his message & let him explain about Jim & Travis role & why he sent the message, as opposed to warning, and his admission about monitoring intel.


Either way = Win win

Either Jim & Trav are bad, or Walfred, but Walfred is bad, even if you don't know it yet.

Is Deb all there? I damn sure ain't. Are YOU?
If I was all there & smart, I would have said F Dyer & the Patriot community & minded my business.

this trying to do the right thing 'Ish is probably the stupidest mistake of my life, but it is what it is on that. Here is some documentation to illustrate the set up. looks stupid, silly, etc, but watch the flow. Peep the timing & dates.

http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/EDOGZ818/J4P%20The%20Beginning%20Of%20The%20End/

J4P The beginning of The End ^^^

http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/EDOGZ818/CRAZY%20ADMIN%20JULY%204%20PATRIOT%20CHARLES%20DYER%20SET%20UP/

Crazy Admin ^^^ Me becoming a bad guy, over night.


http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/EDOGZ818/Deb%20Swan%20And%20Charles%20Dyer%20%20July%204%20Patriot/
Deb Swan & J4P ***** Pay attention to the mention of hacked emails. Pay attention to the letter Rick sent me about the hacked emails.

What was in them? Man, listen.

This is %100 "UN"confirmed, hearsay, no basis in truth, unverified, etc, with no factual basis other than what was whispered in my ear, absolutely no proof, rumor, etc.

I was "TOLD", I have not seen any documentation, so it's taken with a grain salt , as FALSE, until proven otherwise, etc....but supposedly, allegedly, with no supporting documentation etc, ...matter fact, I won't speak upon it, until or if I get the documentation, but I do have the hacked emails & I see why Rick is upset. Resume's, contacts, messages, busts. Florida raid? Is it connected? The newest one....somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if the group wasn't indirectly connected. SECOM is headquartered in FLa.

I tried extra hard to help dyer, they tried extra hard to stop me. You will see the first time i heard swan's name ( dec 22 ) & first time we spoke Dec 25. From there, it got ugly.

Rick's email stated that the only thing I did wrong, was listen to what deb had to say. What she had to say, was damning....& supported with documentation.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-23-2012 04:10 PM
We are looking at this situation as an example of why re are going to require an entire rewrite of the whole "leaderless resistance" concept on a case by case basis.

ARM could have been something cool but got all fucked up. In all honesty, I think a few individuals here and there can be salvaged, but as soon as anything gets moving it is a magnet for goofballs.

Locally, up on Portland I am getting no visible heat, as soon as I get outside Portland and go out in public where I get known, it means government contact is not far away. I rolled in to Coos Bay last night, got pulled over, thought maybe the cop was just trolling for a DUI ticket, then when I got to where I was going, there was a wierd sort of hang up call. Thing is, that person so rarely used his landline that anyone needing to actually bug me would have called on my cell phone or his, although he rarely uses his.

I really get the impression that I am being reconned for a setup of some sort, maybe a raid, I don't know, but the stalking shit started right up when I arrived to visit family. In all honesty, if this was not happening at fed central in Portland but is happening here in one of the smaller towns far from there, it smells more like gangstalking than a legitimate investigation.

Thing about Walfred from another case was that while he might have some racial opinions, I don't seem him as a hostile informant at this point. He obviously has some connections, but provided some critical info on another situation that was local to his area. Something that some other people "in the movement" probably could have gotten just as easily, but for some odd reason were not willing to step up on. It is sensitive enough that I would not go into details on it.

The test I have on a lot of things is whether or not someone given an intel task will carry through and then come back with accurate verifiable information that an enemy agent would just never be willing to give. Next, the person is usually asked to obtain a weapon or military item of some sort, and if that comes in and checks out solid, then they are considered trustworthy for a period of time. Back in WW2, that meant the person probably had to go count enemy troops and obtain and provide info on collaborators by spying on the police station and people going in and out. Since weapons were being provided by a third party, they would usually be given a smuggling task and if it went smoothly, they are a trusted operative.

That's why when ARM started to arrive on the scene, I can see how "the network" probably made contact with Dyer and Travis, put them through a few tests, then gave the weapon as a reward/gift/test. I don't even get to know who is or runs "the network" but I get the strong impression that most of them are an underground element of law enforcement and have people infiltrated throughout the military. Some of them are cops disgusted with their peers and will not openly defy "the club" but get involved, others were involved from the beginning and infiltrated the government.

I have read about it a little in some leaked articles from law enforcement journals and intelligence journals and you can find parts of it online. The police state types have "disillusioned individuals" as a threat profile, and groups of "disillusioned operatives" are considered a very high threat. Matter of fact, it has been the theme of more than one film on the subject.

At this point, due to some of other shit out of Florida, I would not trust anyone there I have not known for a pretty long time. I actually rubbed shoulders with people in several Florida groups in the 1980s, and even back then they were into sending the feds after each other. It's a way they jockey for status and position.

Don't broaden your brush too much, but I fully agree, Rick is a piece of shit. He might call the cops on people to get an advantage over them just like any piece of shit pulling felon tweeker stunts, but an outright fed, I have my doubts. Travis I don't know, I think he might just be immature and over his head, Nancy is just an amateur who does not fully know right from wrong but is trying to learn.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-23-2012 05:16 PM
Rick isn't an actual fed, he is a snitch. Brought a new Jeep Liberty, for 11K during Dyer case.

Unconfirmed / Unverified reports have him recieving funds from fbi. 15K, & two 8K payments.

Unconfirmed.

Nancy is all the way bad, I have the proof.

Walfred, tell him I'll make the same deal I did with the other informants, 2 of who, knowing me accepted.

He can come clean, in confidence & I'll let him slip off into the sunset, quietly, not abruptly, but quick enough where I don't want to see him....ever again, flip side, he gets public exposure.

Let him know, the first time he lies, deals off the table. I already know about "Millenium Surfer" & more, so if he wants to test me, so be it.

I'm not painting a broad brush, nor am I the popo, trying to catch criminals, I have come across the test you speak off & informants. I'm only after the J4P bad guys & any warnings I issue, will be off the general, non specific kind, but florida...

I know it has crossed your mind.

SECOM / Amelia Foxwell = Florida

Nancy
You don't see buzzards soaring with eagles, birds of a feather, flock together.

Nancy, rick , Amelia = "Patriots For Justice In The Case Of Charles Dyer"

Proctor, MN 55810 <<<< Relax, I have no business there.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-23-2012 08:47 PM
I got into some relatively heavy shit here I have had a couple long talks with someone who claimed to be a little sympathetic to one other situation I am working with. Turns out dude is another retired government guy who I strongly suspect is not-so-retired.

I will either be dead or we might have some sort of deal in the works in the next few days. Not sure how much help I can wrangle up on this Dyer thing, but I strongly suspect the feds outside of Oklahoma are now recognizing that the Nix angle is not bullshit.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-23-2012 09:06 PM
Um, yeah, I kinda know what you mean , about the heavy shyt. This is the first time I've been scared since Jan. , death threats didn't scare me, this new guy, scares me, supposedly he's on the "GOOD GUYS" side, whatever that means, but i have a feeling that he is the type that ends up fugging everybody up.

What gives with the new guy?
What gives with the Nix angle?

What about the inquiry?
What about this new guy? He seems to be 'bout it, bout it! He makes me nervous, but he makes them nervous too.

Uncharted waters here now.
Is he after me or really on my side?

This Mudda chucka on some Darth Vader type 'Ish. Like 10x spookier than Walfred & 50x scarier????


Feds already know about Nix....unless the don't communicate?

That is the only way that they could not know & some are actual good guys?

What do you think?
Gimme everything you got on Nix, asap, EDOGZ818@AOL.COM
I'll forward it up

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-24-2012 11:01 AM
Nah this new guy on my end is local, and the initial contact had nothing to do with Dyer or Nix, in fact, I think he was entirely unaware of it. I am probably going to try and bring it up today.

There was an old case from 2000 or 2001 that I think his side is after some answers and exchange on but I strongly suspect its because they don't want to face the truth that it was the result of infighting among the feds. One of their people got offed and we were initially blamed for it but as far as anyone in the forums knew and anyone knew, we had nothing to do with it.

The problem which gets really touchy right now is the feds know that this thing is quite possibly on the verge of escalation, and the backchannel situation is to sort out who sanctions what.

Every real snitch has a supervising agent, and when we get to the point the fuckers are just really badly breaking the law in a police state manner, we have to throw the option out to the other side of giving it a chance to de-escalate with a give-back of some sort, or the shit steps up a notch. Notice that nobody is blowing any shit up right now. So a lot of this is "hey is this your guy or not your guy" type stuff. I am not at the point with this new guy that I can just bounce names off him.

A very real problem, is if we come up with an enemies list and people start ending up dead, then what was the result of infighting vs someone actually doing a hit? The feds actually infight as much as we do, just it mostly stays out of open access forums.

Here is the nightmare scenario: we come up with our own fusion center and information archive (it exists but is not working very well), then the enemies list gets published, with the militia leadership basically saying "if shit happens to our people, we start knocking off the list". Well, the feds apparently don't even like it at that level with Schaffer Cox, but then it will just be someone else next week, and another guy two weeks later, on and on. The problem is that someone doing the infighting thing could very well start a war that the two actual sides did not intend to start.

I am really thinking at this point that a federal shotacaller named Thomas Wales was killed off by his own people in order to make room for another guy to get promoted and take over the operation which was to become known as "fast and furious". The latest openly published reports point to some tax evader guy being the suspect, but it is hard to tell. We were originally blamed for the Beltway Sniper and Unabomber thing too.

So no, I am not convinced any of these people are really "good guys" but apparently even they have issues with sorting out the mountains of information out there and trying to figure out who is doing what.

Thing is, I have been given bad info in the past. A couple years ago I was given bogus info on the whereabouts of Whitey Bulger which was supposed to be in trade for another favor our side needed. As it was, it just made me look stupid.

The fact that Rick Light was having frequent contact with the FBI and not reporting it back frequently enough is indication of the fact that he tells secrets to one group, witholds them from another. That's like a lawyer having a four hour meeting with the prosecutor and then not telling you what it was about. You would be like "oh fuck, this whole thing is going on without me".

Anyway, gotta go meet this guy but I don't know if the issue with Dyer will even come up.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-24-2012 04:24 PM
Yeah, notice it has been quiet, we were contacted directly & dude said he will make it stop, it has, I was gonna stir some chet back up & test to see if he was legit, but kinda decided against it. I'm kinda scared of this new guy, but he claims to be on our side.

Scary dude, talks with power, not bragging, not yelling, just calm, matter of factly, this is the deal, type 'Chet. He seems like one bad Mofo that I wouldn't want to tangle with & he's on my team & I still get goose bumps......he has me worried for the informants.

Let's re open the thread, let me address Nancy & see where it goes, or open the inquiry.

Word is, your a good guy. Show me.
If your too scared, say so, I'd understand %100 & not fault you a bit. Deep down, I wish I were too scared to get involved. FEAR is smart.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-24-2012 09:17 PM
Hmm, guy in this end is now claiming to be past tense with .gov but in either event, I am getting nowhere with him. Turns out they did not really give a shit about anything I thought it was.

The guy had been pretty well connected at one time but all I am being told is basically the consequences of getting back into the arms trade. IE, I am out of favors so don't expect any, even if I were to cooperate on a foreign thing. I had offered to burn some Iranians who wanted to do business a while back and they just don't give a shit.

Basically, it is back to something I talked about openly in the forum; we don't have street credibility. We are barely above flys to these people, and a dangerous fly gets swatted...

The dyer thing has not come up really on this end, and I am having trouble bringing it up. I think they just don't seem to care much about it on this end. It is mainly an Oklahoma thing I guess..

I suspect that the ex-bitch may have just done some convincing crying con to get them to buy the child rape story, and since the opposition has such a low opinion of our side to begin with, they find it fairly easy to believe anyway.

I was told while one saying says "don't underestimate the criminal mind", the flip side is "don't overestimate it either." A lot can just be attributed to hubris, arrogance and prejudice.

Has anyone on your end actually seen the evidence against Dyer? I understand it is a video testimony done by the daughter to a therapist. Is it possible for someone posing as a Nix friend/operative to get a statement from the ex-bitch just to see what her script lines are?

Viewed through the eyes of someone already pretty prejudice against our kind, it might have just been convincing enough to be their main motivation.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-24-2012 09:35 PM
Personally , I have not the evidence, nor do I want too.

Not arguing his guilt or innocence, nor is it for me to, I've checked into how the informants influenced those that did & that is my angle.

Nix went after Swan, early on, via his youtube sock puppet account, which set off a red flag.


Let's just say, Nix is connected to the informants, as he used their sexual mode of attacks. Either they are connected, or the informants want us to think they are.

That much is clear.

You have intel assets, check into Rick Light, his $$$. How did he buy that new truck? Has he received funds?

Is Gregory Cox out of the San Antonio field office Rick's handler?

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-24-2012 09:51 PM
Never heard of this Cox guy, but I got warned about comms not being secure so I am not even trying to make contact with some of the better connected guys.

It is entirely possible that Rick Light gave up someone else along the way. I get the impression that he was running the central part of the Dyer defense at some point. Could be someone made contact with him about something, trusted him, and he rolled them without the rest of us knowing. There are a lot of guys who are straight up guys who lurk the forums and don't post much, but might make contact with the central character on a given situation.

The funds thing you describe with Rick Light does sound about right though. It is just as some point I have to give the fucker an opportunity to speak for himself, but this thing with Dyer being on the run, it really pissed Nancy off that Debbie took him over state lines and them dumped him. She was talking all about how an act like that must indicate Debbie was a cointel type.

Nancy had invested in the bail money, so that went out the window when Dyer went over the state line and violated the release conditions. She said if he was just going to hide out for a while, why not one just eslewhere in Oklahoma?

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-24-2012 10:04 PM
Whoah!

Pump Ya' brakes!

Dyer's parents put up the bail money, their farm, Nancy invested nothing, as far as I have confirmed, show me the paper work to support that claim, the documentation that can be independently verified.

As far as Rick speaking for himself, bring him on in here. Obviously I ain't ducking, & want the inquiry done asap.

Put up a poll & companion thread.

Nancy too.

It wasn't about the bail & even if it was, which it wasn't, the bail was never lost & he was never charged with crossing state lines, even though caught in Texas.

No need for the animosity on that end, so it has to be something else. Swan says because Nancy is an informant, so do I , nancy is the only one lying to you, or as far as you know, has lied to you so far.

Bail = Lie ( Check it, Family farm was bond, & not revoked.
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http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-purpose-of-dyers-chip-in-saving.html

"NEW PURPOSE OF DYER'S CHIP-IN: SAVING THE DYER FARM
Due to an impossible legal situation, July4Patriot/AKA Charles Dyer has decided to, for the moment, run for it. Perhaps it's for the best...

So that leaves the bond on the Dyer family farm in jeopardy-150,000 I believe.

I am listening to the Intelligence Report as I type this and Mark Koernke just gave the ideal of "us" chipping in to pay that bond off in cash to save the farm.

Think we can do better this time than the 1400 or so he's gotten up to this sorry point? That he couldn't afford a attorney worthy of the name is why he chose to hoof it."

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See what I mean? See why they scared to face the questions? Honestly, what do you think about Walfred? Think his hands are totally clean? They not even clean in the Dyer case & his role was almost minimal, but he is a Narc.....or worse.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-25-2012 06:20 PM
Wow, Yeah, I thought Nancy had footed some bills for something.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-25-2012 09:54 PM
Nope! She siphoned some $$$ / Donations, that I can prove, but posting the $150K bail?

Haha Very kidding us.

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Member # 1119 posted 06-27-2012 02:21 PM
I got the impression that she posted around $10K and a bailbond guy covered the rest, and the farm was some sort of guarantee to the bailbond guys.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-27-2012 08:20 PM
Ask the Dyer family on that note, I do know that the family farm was used for bail &may have covered the entire bail, through the court, but I don't have the records, nor asked.

The family is a proud family & wouldn't beg, so I doubt the asked, but either way, who has done more to help J4P....Nancy or DEB?

I know Deb could have been killed driving J4P around when he was on the run, or jailed for it, not Nancy. i have seen, with my own eyes, Mrs Dyer making quilts to pay the attorney, while the $70 Million dollar woman....well, I may be poor, but I've seen people with money & how they act.


New Money & Old Money & Nancy doesn't have $70Mil or even 1 mil.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 06-28-2012 09:01 PM
I personally fault every single person of financial means in this debacle for not stepping up. I barely pull $100 a day doing handyman and welding work on call, short jobs and I am not particularly good at it, but it is one of the few things the feds have either tolerated me doing for a living or at least will not actively move to take away.

That three days with the "connected guy" was a semi-retired fed who I was fixing some stuff in the house for, more like me as the helper on that since the job got suddenly complex. Obviously we got to talking about some things and I suspected some ulterior motives for being offered the job, but its hard to gauge on that since prior to me getting busted I had stumbled into a business deal that could potentially be worth three million dollars but now I can't personally handle and would probably be fortunate to get 1% if it goes together.

I might be leaving the country for a year or so to put the deal together, depends on whether or not they round up an investor and get the key guy holding the permits on some stuff to sign the right papers.

The whole thing about Dyer going on the run was such a major fuckup that I can't think of much of it that had gone right. Personally, I think Nancy did have a plan (she hinted at one and was initially accused of implementing it). What do you think of this rumor about Nancy actually being mafia?

The mafia angle being that they have their own reasons for hating the government and were looking for an alliance, but this whole thing with the militias is the reputation for being crazy or dangerous, without being say, stable and dangerous that the Mafia would like to deal with.

How connected is the Dyer family there in Oklahoma? Lots of friends and relatives? Would they be totally against relocating to a Christian community outside the USA?

I can most likely get them relocated to a ministry in Africa where they are guaranteed to have armed bodyguards if they want (my mom has excellent relations with some tribal governments who provide armed bodyguards, but a bit stingy with the hardware, but this is all in a non-extradition country). $30K starting money can set someone up reasonably well in a few of the countries that i have in mind, but we need an exit plan for people, some out of the way place we can evacuate people to if it is uncool for them to stay in the US.

$150K can buy your way into some central American countries with enough political clout to cover weapons for bodyguards and lots of interference on any extradition issues.

We can't let this sort of fuckup happen again but this situation is just not looking good right now.

We need a new program where if it really looks like someone is not going to be getting a very fair trial, then arrangements have to be made for them to exit stage left and stay gone indefinitely. Rick light is going to have very few choices on this one: contribute the bulk of the initial funds or suffer consequences. This bullshit of him encouraging the family to ask our guy to turn himself in and then going and looking to help with the arrest. Yeah, bright fucking plan.

Debbie also needs to know that on an op like this, throw the fucking android phone in a ditch.

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EDOGZ818
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Member # 4255 posted 06-29-2012 05:09 AM
LOL-N @ Android Phone & Agreeing

On Nancy, now keep this in mind, if she did put up $10K , for Bail Bondsman, that $10K was the fees & non refundable, guilty or innocent, bail bondsman keeps that %10, so still no logic in being mad at Swan & $150K bail = $15K / %10

Also, either Charles Decided to run, or Swan karate chopped his neck like Capt. Kirk, bound & gagged him, tossed him over her shoulder & kidnapped him, or Dyer, the Patriot leader, was so weak minded, she influenced him.

Which do you believe? He decided on his own to run?

Underground Railroad:

Why didn't Rick take the role of UGRR conductor, instead of slave catcher?

Nancy / Mafia
She has the name, but the Mafia doesn't deal with rats when they make a deal & let's face facts, why would they chose Nancy, of all people, to liason with the Militia?

Why not a veteran? Why not one of the ex pro football players they have on staff as GOONS?

Real Mafia, dent their is even a Mafia, the fake one's imply , or allow to be implied that there is a mafia, and they are part of it.

They don't wear the tag like a badge of honor, more like a bulls-eye. They avoid it....like the plague, a subpoena, or 5yrs probation.

It brings unwanted heat & that isn't good for business.

http://www.indiegogo.com/CharlesDyer?a=768349
This is the new donation site for Dyer, for prison expenses. Enough $$$ = Call in to Radio show?

Make it happen. Send it to everyone on site, feature a discussion, do what you can, to keep his name at the forefront.


Now, imagine this, your potential plan, Africa, etc., supposed you helped Dyer escape....why would I be mad at you, if I supported Dyer & wanted him to be free?

Even if you failed.....you still tried....more than I did, so why the anger?

Now look at what Nancy did to Dyer & decide if it helped or hurt:

Spread unsubstantiated allegations that Swan stole donations, allegations that Walfred repeats, without proof.

Does the controversy help donations, or make people who are on the fence, sitting on the outside, decide against donating?

Hiding the petition to have the charges dropped against him dropped, from his supporters, even his own mother: Does That Help Dyer Or Hurt him?

Look at the Chip In Link she set up, was it featured on her site? In her Post? Shouldn't she have dropped it daily in the support group?

They weren't really helping him, but one good thing came out of it all, when they circled the wagons, it exposes who else is on the informant team.

That is why I attack them, make them circle their wagons & reveal themselves, like with Sandman369.

He says he has connections / infiltrated 41 Militia groups in 38 states. I have been with 2 groups, in 1 state, that I served with. That's it. Local groups.

Why would anyone, let alone a Militia Leader, who claims he is so busy, pop onto the scene & aggressively get involved with groups in 38 states.

At best, he has five states next door, so why the other 33? In theory, he's supposed to be in his county / state, not nationwide, so there is no real justification for such contact, on that level.

He's supposed to be teaching his members how to grow a tomato, build a matchless fire, shelter, gather water, identify edible plants, medical, etc.

41 groups in 38 states? maybe it's me, but add that tidbit to him throwing down his cape for Rick Light on the Jan show, & then lying again, saying I attacked him first, when I never heard of him, until he attacked me, never spoke to him, etc., Yet Rick hypes him up as some great figure in the Militia Movement?

Rick light?

>>>>Raises Eyebrow

Now Remember, Debby's phone is not what got Dyer caught, what her phone did do, is lure SECOM / Amelia Foxwell away from Dyer, which is why the SWAT team raided her in Florida, after Amelia was allowed to track DEB, thinking, believing that Dyer was with her.

That is the only reason SWAT raided in Florida. No one called in a reported sighting of Dyer, because he wasn't there, only Amelia & SWAT thought that he was there, in that order.

Still, Android does need to get ditched.

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Breacher

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Member # 1119 posted 07-02-2012 04:31 AM
OK, so Debbie called to check in with Amelia, disclosed her location then the location got hit?

Just trying to figure this one out, is there any indication this was due to Amelia informing vs the info coming from a wiretap of some sort? Were they using an unbroken code? IE, some pre-arranged code that would allow Debbie to indicate the location to Amelia without the FBI people listening in also figuring it out?

I saw this thing where Darren got questioned more or less at the threat of a raid on him, and there had been no indication that Dyer was with him.

As for this guy going around teaching the "live in the woods and eat bark" type survival skills, realize that entire skillset is virtually irrelevant to modern resistance operations except that it gets your people used to the deprivations of a prison/fugitive lifestyle. If you really want to see relevant skillsets, then check over what Bo Gritz was doing in the early 1990s.

Lockpicking, door breaching, defensive driving (hardcore style), CQB and anti-CQB techniques, building hardening, cache construction, urban vs rural cache, alternate communications, interrogation techniques and resistance.

You are definitely on to something with this guy doing the 38 state contacts. Thing is, in the real world, what constitutes a "militia" is pretty broadly defined. There are some groups made up almost entirely of former government people who have every intention of instituting their own variation of martial law when the time comes. I almost got sucked into one of those groups here in Oregon, and as it was several were forming in the same area on that general pattern. I trained with one that was led by two former cops, and of course, one was a straight up guy but definitely not a resister, the other a straight up piece of shit who was doing everything he could to defame and degrade the other people, reporting anything and everything to active law enforcement and creating hostile intel files on everyone. He eventually made his move on the main guy by instigating something at a gun club meeting with the intent of getting the main guy locked up on a psych eval. The main guy was very non-political, did not want the group to be called a militia, openly talked against what he thought was "the lunatic fringe" but the other guy who was ratting everyone for everything he could just decided that he had to be in charge, and since the main guy was not checking in with law enforcement weekly, he had a "problem with authority".

That's why I liked the format and general scope of ARM, but of course, the opposition probably recognized that too and got their attention to it right away.

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On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
WILL DO
p.s. I'm the alternate media

Best I could do is another article, maybe a diagram / powerpoint.
John Grishom is a good idea.

Also, I spoke to ED , he has my info for US observer ( name , # , email ) & told him I will cover the other 4 racks.

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Complete Exchange:


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Cool, he only wants 4000 more thats my biggest concern paying him off in full so he will stay 100% committed. I'll leave a bunch of info for you so you don't have to do the footwork as far as getting the right people and organizations involved.

www.reportpubliccorruption.com 1-919-832-6886
bo gritz bogritz@msn.com 702-723-5266 ex special forces colonel exposing corruption during his career fully awake dude has his own website.
alex jones 855-411-alex 760 569-7701 651-695-7777 512-646-1776 877-789-alex 800-259-9231

ACLU 405-524-8511
matt campbell associated press 816-234-4902
oklahoma city university school of law innocence project 405-208-5337
OK innocence project 405-208-6161
These are just a few me you and deb can hound these people and organizations with miss dyers help and get them involved. Not all but just a few or mabye one or two will greatly improve are chances of winning in the end. Over the next week i will be contacting everyone on this list so you do the same along with me and deb ok? trust me we will get something out of this. on the board of directors of the OK innocence project is aA MAN BY THE NAME OF DENNIS FRITZ WHO WAS WRONGFULLY CONVICTED FOR RAPE AND MURDER HE HAS A book deal with grisham and openly advertises to contact him so he can help people in dyers situation. His case was in OK. try and get ahold of him and see if you can't get ahold of grisham through him I'll do the same with deb and miss dyer. If you go online and google barbaras journey toward justice you will find a link to email him. These computers over here have admin restraints so I don't have full function sometimes. any way you get the idea. Even ed said absolutely this is the key to busting this case wide open get as many "big guns" involved as possible and there is no stopping us bro at that point we will have all the power. Yes isolated amongst ourselves we were weak but just with the us observer involved and turning miss dyer to our side has dramatically changed things in our favor. So lets go to work on this and get as much exposure going as humanly possible ok? good luck.

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
WILL DO
p.s. I'm the alternate media

Best I could do is another article, maybe a diagram / powerpoint.
John Grishom is a good idea.

Also, I spoke to ED , he has my info for US observer ( name , # , email ) & told him I will cover the other 4 racks.


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 2, 2012 5:57 am
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

The main thing now is to get us observer the other 5000 and i talked to ed who said to get as many other organizations involved in this as possible. I got other marines involved now from way behind the scenes so the more the better. we aren't powerless at all we just have to get enough people involved to turn the tables on them, in fact things are already starting to turn. OK innocence project is already aware of the situation and on the 5th they are coming onboard then there is OK university innocence project which will follow. Shit I'm even trying to get ahold of john motherfuckin grisham to see if he's interested in this disgusting case of horrific corruption. So the main thing for you bro is get on google and get as many other organizations, lawyers, who ever whatever you can think of...news organizations alternative media.....know what I'm saying involved. this is way bigger than us we need as much exposure as humanly possible start getting on the horn and contacting relevant people and organizations to get them involved in exposing what has been done to this man and his family. miss dyer is totally on board with us that uis something that has changed overnite since I talked to her. The main thing for you and us is to get other powerful organizations involved so we can get max exposure thats what us observer is going to do I talked to them the otherday and they are putting together a game plan andd starting next week. they have lawyers all over the country and ivestigative reporters. So start calling around and gaining contacts to expose all of this. OK? and if possible get the other 5000 together to pay the rest of the us oberver. They are are best freinds right now if anything happens to any of us they will take notice and fight back on our behalf. Good luck pray over this situation constantly.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
Aight man!

Don't worry , keep ya' head in the game right there. I'll do all that I can do on this is. that goes without saying. The rest will be what it will be. Think I ain't $hyt my pants when I wrote him? When I signed my letter requesting leniency & sent it 2hrs ago?

So yeah , it is what it is. What will be will be. Don't be worrying about us & fugg around & step on some soviet era landmine.
You in they hood & them mofo's will try & get cha' , just like you would them if they was in ya hood , hitting your house with ordinance, while your babies slept.

I respect your concern & strongly advise you to consider that your main concern is there , where the mofo's who never heard of Charles Dyer are trying to get ya'. Now if you in the rear with the gear , maybe holla @ Base Legal / Jag ( file a jag order???#I'mJustSayin )

%99 Chance first & probably best legal advice will be to not get involved. That's a given , so focus on the 2nd , 3rd , & 4th best options.

You did plenty. Probably more than everyone else combined , but not because they don't want to , they were effectively kept disorganized.

I mean , I'm the bottom of the barrel , if j4 needs my help ( letter ) he's pretty fugged up in the game.

These dudes are LEADERS , top dogs. Letters should have to be wheeled in on hand trucks, in crates , stacked single file.

Back in December , I bought radio time , ( names not important ) for him to mention the Charles Dyer Chip in , every 1/2 hour on the hour.
5MINs to talk about the case. this was when I was a good guy.( Pre - 1/11/2012 )

Mrs Dyer's phone is tapped. Ask her. She's 72 yrs old & she knows.
Don't sleep.

She has to do what's best for her son & if that means throwing Me, Debby , or you under the bus , you gotta respect her decision to do that. She is one of the real losers , the whole family is, including the wife & daughter / victim & their family.

So if our ( not necessarily yours , cuz I fully respect all that you have done. I was being a fake US observer , because we didn't have the money. That's why I took the job on 4UMF.com.

http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/forum/topics/the-price-of-patriotism-charles-dyer-july-4-patriot-trial

January 10th , 2012

I got proof that I became a bad guy after posting this article ^^^ Seen it? That was done as a regular site member.

Not staff. Not a Job.
FREE

The next day , like a light switch , I was vertically enveloped into a hostile environmental. Maximum integration , 0 - 100 mph in 5 secs type 'Ish.

Have you even heard the 1st show they did about me & Deb?

Check the dates: ( Of course , I could just be a computer genius & photo shop expert, etc. , but it also coincides with the date of the 1st New colony media premiere, the very first Charles Dyer Update.....weekend / Saturday b4 trial on the 18th? , putting show , on or around the 16th? of jan 2012

So peep the email & the flow

http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/forum/topics/the-price-of-patriotism-charles-dyer-july-4-patriot-trial

Only thing wrong with that post , was that it had a link to Deb's petition.
Located here:
http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/forum/topics/the-price-of-patriotism-charles-dyer-july-4-patriot-trial

Having never heard of Swan , in the summer , i was wrongfully banned from WRAM / Rick Light's site. Looking back , I was always Dyer's top supporter on the site , I mean , do you think a non hacker is going to support a Marine more than a fellow Marine?

While banned I even called Rick during Manhunt & checked the web for updates.
1st Time I checked , I found Deb's petition. By the time she clicked submit & looked it over , me & some other dude had already signed it. I was #1. Scared yo use my name , so signed Name with held ( Ok , it was a suckka move, yeah I know, feel bad, etc. but I knew publicly supporting him would bring back lash. So Yeah , I pulled a chicken $hyt anonymous move. Felt bad , kinda got over it , but not really , cuz I got the heat anyway. But I did list my state & zip.

Ioda signed #179 , on Dec 12th , NJ , Big Nick Parisi , #176 NY.

i have their contact info , the will tell you that I sent them the petition directly.
I re signed #105 On Dec 22nd , same day they mentioned Deb Swan & I saw video, etc.
Asked who she was , & they started talking mega $hyt on her.

Screen shots back this all up. Address bar in them for electronic verification & I can throw in plenty of eye witnesses.

Some who don't even like me.
Ioda was the one who drove down.

Check the dates in the contributions , for a spike around the same time.

Not taking credit for all donations , just illustrating the pattern of activity & how it coincides with the timing.

The 4UMF stories weren't until his conviction & after the trial , i agreed to take some of the evidence I posted out of the "COMMENTS".

Neither side had the ability to delete , it was in a neutral , well , not so neutral for them site.

Basically fair exchange , no moderation. Str8

They even his Deb's petition from Mrs. Dyer.

See Noble Lie Update for supporting screen shots , & Mrs Dyer is the one asking about the petition. Check the date

It all coincides. their emails , their screen shots , Mrs Dyers , Check the dates on the petitions activity, #105 Dec 22nd , 1st heard of deb Swan , sent youtube message & re found petition. From the 22 , till Jan 3rd, on the 25th, I was getting it out there. Doubled signatures in 2 weeks?

Check The email dates :

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E, trust me bro,, you never seen the other donation chipin she had!! She deleted
the damned thing after she was called out on it!! You cant see what isnt there
no more!! Im over this shit bro!! Have fun with it cause im not dealing with
this anymore!! Anyone that gets in the way of Charles i will deal with period
bro and you aint got worry with me manning up about it!! You seem to be learning
well from Debbie about twistin what is said and you seem to really like and
trust her so learn the hard way hard head!! While your playin with her i will
hold ya back!! I know way to much about her!! Its not child games either!! I
dont trust anyone that trusts her!! Later bro,, im not replying back anymore to
this stupid shit!! Ive got way better things to do!! Have a good one brother!!

> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:10:34 +0000 > From: EDOGZ818 > To: Minuteman > > On
Swan:
> I checked the records:
> Her funds went str8 to Mrs.Dyer's paypal. Ican get you a copy.

On TJ , I never mentioned Tom A , or WRAM , only J4P.
> He claims he didn't know about WRAM , & only found it , when he googled his
name & saw Tom A Hawk talking smack about him.

( I asked, after he was banned , to see if it was him.

As far as TOM having a problem with me talking to another man ......I mean, the
only advice I can offer him , is to step his heterosexuality up. I;m trying to
find out info to help J4 , his ego is incredible & he makes it seem like it's
about him.

I didn't even ask why he wants to whup his @$$ , but I can guess. lol

He's real suspect to me & I'll leave it at that , with his 'ole Robert Redfoot
Rutherford acting @$$.

Can you send a broadcast message with this thread & a sample tweet / post for
people to share it on twitter , face book, youtube, etc.
> Nancy is working on getting a video for donations that can be pushed for viral
support.

Broadcast Message:
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The Price of Patriotism: Saving Sgt. Dyer @

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/the-price-of-patriotism-charles-dyer-july-4-patriot-trial

http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/events/the-price-of-patriotism-saving-sgt-dyer

Please check the following discussion " The Price Of Patriotism - Saving Sgt.
Dyer " , for information on U.S. Marine Sgt Dyer ( July 4 Patriot ) and how to
help.

> > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:03:20 +0000 > > From: Minuteman > > To: EDOGZ818 >
> > > E,, the only thing you got to do with this is you contacted him after we
begged you not to!! If you would have listened then we wouldnt be dealing with
TJ at all! Tom and you would have never had an issue either!! We worked hard to
expose that ass clown!!Tom and you, Both of you guys are great Patriots and i
need you both along with the rest!! Big things are goin down to, way to many to
type about!!! Im at the helm of most of them unfortunately and im going to need
gaurds that i can really trust!! I dont think that TJ is the real problemactic
issue as much as Swan is!! TJ is basicly dead in the water by his own mouth but
Swan is still a big threat to Charles!! That one just wont go away!! That isnt
your fault though!! Contacting her and listening to her lies is though!! I
garranttee you that 90 percent of what Swan told you is a big lie!! That is just
how she is!!

> > > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:27:08 +0000 > > > From: EDOGZ818 > > > To:
Minuteman > > > > > > sounds like a confession from TJ , based on Tom A Hawk,
with absolutely NOTHING to do with me.

> > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:29:50 +0000 > > > > From: Minuteman > > > >
To: EDOGZ818 > > > > > > > > Here is the first responce after the ban on WRAM!!
Continue what???
> > > > i see that tomahack continues to slander me in your site...now you ban
me for nothing at all....you give me no choice but to continue.

> > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:07:36 +0000 > > > > > From: EDOGZ818 > > > >
> To: Minuteman > > > > > > > > > > no phone, wife at mothers house.
> > > > > My email is secure , not sure how TJ or deb know who is admin , to
hack their accounts.

****Leak is in admins , not outside group.****

That's why I wanted to secure the group , by having everyone but me , you & eq
out the group , during trial. I've been here since damn near day 1, back when
the site had 33 members , all the way up to 10,000 + , & never had an issue
surround me , where I was accused or involved in e mail hacking , now all of a
sudden , my name gets thrown in the mix with such fuggery , along with stealing
donations.

Something wrong with an alleged , incompetent admin , fighting to keep admin
powers, when obviously not fulfilling admin duties. Ask who put up j4p widgets,
who sent broadcast message with logistics discussion , passed the links, etc.
ask who did more than sit on their a$$ for J4P. I've been working harder on it ,
than I would do at a job where they are paying me , so to accuse me of
sabotaging it , based on the word of some one who does nothing is crazy.

TJ put many pieces together & I see why those guys were scared of what he had to
say. Ol Hickory asked what TJ said about Echoghost , my reply was that he said
he was a technical wiz. ( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That tell the story right
there. There is a concerted effort to undermine j4p from the inside. Proof is
right infront of you if you step back & take the time to look.
> > > > > Information deleted , bullchit attack threads like" Edogz vs Tom A
Hawk ( & everyone else )" , etc. 1/2 the time, I can't even log into my own face
book , let alone some one else's. Even money says who ever blamed me for hacking
emails is probably the culprit , while they sit back & do just enough for j4p to
look like they are doing something , while doing more damage on the sneak.

Me harm J4P? I don't even believe that you even think that. If you want , I'll
re-start my investigation & get to the bottom of things. It won't take much, I
have most of the pieces already. Your call.

Removing me , won't solve the problem , you got bad apples in the bunch.
> > > > > That's obvious to a duck.

I doubt TJ or Swan are doing it , but will contact them if you want me too.
> > > > > Now I never mentioned WRAM to TJ , not 1x , he found it via google,
checking on who was saying what about him & found Tom A Hawk talking about him
in Chip in Discussion.

( At least that's what he told me when I asked him , if that was him on wram. If
he is doing it , ( I haven't asked ) , it may be because of the banning. He was
upset, & I told him to chill , & I believe he did. If you want , I'll contact
him & Swan & see if they are involved. My email has never been hacked & my
password is several #'s , in a foreign language.

Who's email was hacked & what did they do with it?

> > > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:42:11 +0000 > > > > > > From: Minuteman >
> > > > > To: EDOGZ818 > > > > > > > > > > > > Brother,, we really need to
talk!! Ever since you have contacted Debbie and TJ now our admins emails are
getting hacked including my sons account here in the site!! Now im wondering if
your not comprimised as well and just dont know it!! I warned you about these
fucks and you didnt listen and now things are not going to good here in the
site!! I never though you to be the one that would bring this shit to the site!!
If you would have listened this would not be going on!! You really need to call
me ASAP bro!! If you dont we will have to delete your account!! We are not
deleting you to get you gone!! It will be to secure the site!! Its funny that
you havent called me and the call is to ensure me its you here and not someone
else! So what is it going to be bro?? call me to secure the site or deleted
because we dont know its you?? All your info will be go
ne bro!! That would be ashame because of the info on Charles you have put out!!
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-----Original Message-----


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

let me call you tomorrow. answer your phone ok? I wqas talking about tonite her phone is dead, IM, is dead not responding at all. So it makes me wonder she kept stressing they were going to get her. If I can't get ahold of her in a day or two then I will know for sure that they moved on her and at that point I think I'm done two. I just wanted to see for myself. And if you are being followed and so on then mabye.....even miss dyer says she is afraid something bad is going to happen to her. Holy shit wtf is going on. They most likely have all phones computers and emails and are and have been keeping close track of everything until now. This shit is crazy. hopefully I'm wrong and I get ahold of her tomorrow I am a bit of a worry wart. This has happened once before and I got ahold of her the following day......I gotta go to bed. tty.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:26 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
No , I spoke to her , 2 nights ago , maybe last night? can't remember. They follow her all the time & harass her , me? I don't give a hoot , so harassing me is a waste of time, they just tap my phone & internet. We marines , following us probably scares them , more than us, unless it's in an official capacity. It's sad , but we are powerless against them.


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

wtf she was worried I DISAPEARD? is this edogz? let me call right now you just got ahold of her? tell her to answer her phone

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:02 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
DEB WAS WORRIED THAT YOU WERE "DISAPPEARED". I SPOKE TO HER , CALL AT 3:30, I'LL BE ON & MESSENGER


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

every time I try to call you I can't get through, you being followed? I tried debra 5 times and no answer a little worried about her i'll chill and give it a day. If I can't get ahold of her tomorrow I'm gonna be really concerned they were probably listening the whole time and moved on her as soon as us observer got involved. You need to be careful to if your being followed. Miss dyer said that the feds moved on her brother and law and took all the computers that had info on the case....seem suspicious to you? Albert rivero threatened going after deb and "picking her up in the mother ship" I hope she is ok I needed her help tonite it was just me and miss dyer. try to get ahold of her ok I gotta go take care of some things talk tomorrow.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:07 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
Yeah, spoke to observer ( Ed ) told him I'll cover the remainder. Dig , if they informants can get mad & get him more time.....then will will get him the max regardless.
I'll chill, but it won't help, probably hurt, but I'll chill , 4 u. $hyt definitely stirred them up & I replied , acting like a fool ( well , I guess I wasn't acting ) to through them off.

I'll go for the juggler next. When can I restart?


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

ya I read it just that its stirring up these punkass informants like a hornets nest and they could get the judge to give him a more severe sentence. Just talk to us observer and see what he says. Talk it over with deb to ok? How bout that IOU can you come through with that so we can pay this guy in full? That would be awesome if you could. I'll call tomorow.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:51 PM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
HAVE YOU AT LEAST READ THE ARTICLE?

http://4umf.com/a-noble-lie-oklahoma-city-free-viewing/

Only people so far who have had problems with it are the informants or people who haven't read it in it's entirety. One person said it's the best one I've written & am getting better with practice.

I'll take weigh your advice , heavily ( $5Racks worth ) but dig , do buy that BS that I am all powerful & can influence his case or appeals , cuz if i could , he wouldn't be where he is. ( unless you think I'm the rat / chivato who wants him in jail.

That's like me telling you that your not going to heaven.....it ain't my call. The informants are in mrs. dyer's ear , scared because I laid out the proof that they are informants , clear as day & people are seeing it.
That is the only issue , in reality. nancy can sell bumper stickers with j4p in the mask...b4 trial & that ain't hurting his chances , making him look like a terrorist? but I am supposedly by exposing how the government cheated , with informants to get him convicted? Only ones saying that are the informants.

Think if I write an article calling for his conviction to be overturned ....the judge will? NOPE!
How many of the people complaining pulled out a pen & paper & wrote a letter asking the judge to show mercy?
Probably the same amount that wrote him to uplift his spirits , or keep him informed.

I asked the informants who speak for him , if they ever wrote him in jail, they all said no...ALL.
Not one wrote him & even asked. They ran the support group that produced ZERO support. Attacked the ones who did show up to support. Tracked & hunting Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot with the FBI & SWAT & I'm the bad guy for pointing that out as str8 wack juice?

Let's be real , who is gonna piss the judge off more , me exposing the informants , or the US observer going after the judge?
This case has been kept under wraps by the informants for a reason.
I can prove this. it may seem like I'm talking out my @$$ , but I don't. Think about it....sure they are articles on it , but I'm knocking on people's door ( via social media ) & shoving it in their face , making sure they read it.

No since in sugar coating it & trying to be popular / please people. The shyt is serious.
Rick, nancy , Amelia etc., set up websites & appointed themselves leader , Charles dyer was appointed LEADER by the peole he served....the American people.

All Charles has to do , is pick up a pen & write me & tell me to stall the informants out & I'll stop. I hate to say it & at one time , hated to hear it , but the fact is , it's bigger than J4P now, he was just the catalyst to expose the cancer within. For that ...he is a matyr & I feel like I owe it to him to get the truth out , even in the face of great risk , cuz it isn't more than the risk / danger he is facing.


When told by my wife that it doesn't make sense to risk it all trying to save him , I agreed , it doesn't make sense , anymore than if you were wounded in the kill zone & charging out to get you b4 they walked mortar rds on you & possibly me carrying you.......but would still do it , like I'm sure you will , ( Or would have b4 u joined the ARMY * Marine joke )

You put up the 5racks , yeah , & risked your life earning it , so i got to respect that , but b4 the 5racks , when US observer wouldn't take the case for free , I tried to do what they would do , to the best of my knowledge...for free.

Jeopardized my marriage & life ( Life > Marriage )
Pep talked seeing this through to the end , expecting to not make it to the end.
I can't look myself in the mirror if I don't stand up for what's right in the eyes of GOD.
( I'm Muslim , GOD = ALLAH ( Arm Leg Leg Arm Head ) The same GOD of Jesus , Abraham , Moses , John The baptist )

I don't look for a living GOD in a dead book. metaphysically speaking I'll go clearer , when i want to talk to GOD , I take a look in the MIRROR.
I started writing professionally , on AllHipHop.com. At the time , they kept urging me to do something positive for the youth. Rick Light was asking me to get Blacks involved in the Militia / Patriot community.

http://allhiphop.com/2011/12/13/school-em-saturday-the-tuesday-edition/

This is a sample of my weekly column , on the #1 website in the world. AllHipHop.com.
I was a member since it's inception in 1998. I was recruited shortly after my boss' section ( RUMORS ) won Vibe magazine award for best Hip Hop site. ( Kinda like the Grammy's without the $ )

I first came across J4P in a video there ( Long story )

Gave him a fat shout & that's how we first linked up. You know Semper Fi breaks the ice asap between Marines!

This was before I became a writer ( just commented ) before I opened the school.

( Granted this is irrelevant , with everything past whether or not I will Chill / stop ...which I will ...pull back, nah, I'll "STOP" , out of respect for UR 5 racks & what you had to do to earn it , and being a senior Marine.......but want a firm date to see something. Sentencing is on the 5th & they rats haven't done Jack squat except escort him into custody.)

I mean , ask MRS Dyer , I told her , infront of Rick & nancy , that if I am wrong , oh well , fugg it , I made a mistake on behalf of Charles Dyer's best interest , I may have panicked, etc. " HEY , it's my fugg up , my fault , whoops, blame me , I'll take whatever I have coming etc. " , I can live with that. I can look in the mirror & live with myself , content that I did right in the eyes of GOD.

If I am wrong & his guilt or innocence doesn't matter at this point , or ever will , as long as the government is cheating * I mean in theory right? Support & defend the constitution against "A-L-L" enemies. ( * Didn't say ALL enemies **EXCEPT FOR...... ) , there was no disclaimer.

Anyway , i wrote about Charles , Minuteman & Rick Light.
Rick light even came on & got mashed up on the board...ask him , but I held him down, etc.

Board turned on me. Long story short.

Now he is bad? If that was the maffia , they'd have cut off my hands , stuffed them in my shoes & buried the rest of me with the fish.

So what do I do? Do I warn the people that I exposed to Rick Light or cover for him , like the other informants do & allow him to set up another "REAL LEADER"? that makes me complicit & an informant / chivato too. I can't look in the mirror & be happy with that. If I feel it's wrong ALLAH / GOD , Jesus , Abraham , Moses etc, would.

So it's other forces at play & if it helps Charles Dyer to make me out to be the bad guy , I'm cool with that , as long as it helps.
Right now , helping the informants avoid exposure doesn't seem like it helps. They should have 50 letters minimum , requesting leniency.

Not that it counts for anything , but it doesn't hurt , & if it would count for just the slightest , still have ZERO?

They have websites full of supporters , groups dedicated to support & not 1 person to show up?
I documented it , so people can see how they did me.....with proof that I was a good guy , senior admin , the right way , by looking out for the members , standing up for them. A fellow Marine , trying to help , getting deflected at every turn , then when they realized that I actually took the time , to dig in deep , deeper than Atlantis ... & couldn't be turned.....dig , what if you had to chose between right & wrong ....the rewards for wrong was status & $$$ , but the wrong was setting up Charles Dyer......what would you chose?

Now imagine if you know the guy? ( WEB , youtube , etc. ( His Home Base ) b4 all the BS? )

I was on the outside looking in , but I was there for the beginning or WRAM / Well Regulated American Militias ( Rick Light ) , Nancy Genevese ( ARM American Resistance Movement , Amelia Foxwell ( SECOM / New Colony Media ) , Skari Kari ( TruthFinders Network ) , MFreebyrd & Sandman of WatchMen Of America , Stuart Rhodes of OathKeepers , man I was there when J4P stepped on the scene.

Plenty more. I know who introduced who , who co signed for who , who promoted who to what positions , so US observers needs my next column to even put the pieces together.

Now ask Mrs dyer , I made a deal after 2nd Mistrial , my whole presence was for a mistrial. Ask him / Mrs. dyer who kicked off the only black juror. Ask her if Sheriff McKinney kept calling Rick light out for secret conferences. Did he call me out 4 one? Ask Mrs Dyer if she was stuck in an elevator with Rick Light , Sheriff McKinney , FBI Agent Ken western , who would talk to them first , me , her or rick light.

If we all happened to start talking in passing conversation , who would end up , handcuffed & then beaten , for what they said to them ( IE: Telling them that it's wrong to cheat or be apart of it & illustrating why )

US Observer don't have the details , the history , they wasn't there , but they work other angles , which I would if I knew , but in reality , they doing what Swan was ostricized for trying to do , for free , plus raise money.

If all the members at Rick & nancy's disposal donated $1 , legal fees would have been paid & I'm a bad guy for saying we should charge dues to pay lawyer & site fees? Instead rick wants to pay the fees & run it like " This is my site & I'll do it this way "......as opposed to letting members pay & run it their way , headache free? that's outcome , not income.

If it don't make dollars it doesn't make sense applies.

Are you paying good money to duck mortars , or are you getting paid.

Different story if them mortars is dropping on mainstreet , USA , then it's Fugg the Money!

Same with Charles Dyer. Fugg the money , it's about what's RIGHT.


The US Observer says don't contact them if you are guilty........so they won't take a guilty man's $$$ , but won't help an innocent man for free?

Call me a cynic , but I'll respect ya' sacrifice & " STOP " or rather "HALT" & consolidate. Not sure what the US observer is gonna do my Monday, but I'm still gonna push for letters for J4P. If you can explain to me how exposing the informants hurt charles , I'll chill......all I ask is that you check it out 1st , in it's entirety & then get back at me , so at least you know what you speaking about.

It must be something , if the informants are upset. If it were an easily dismissive lie , they would just easily dismiss it. They the only one's complaining. You got my # , mrs Dyer has my # , if she don't , feel free to give it to her & she can call me....Charles Can call me , Charles can write me. I sent $$ for pens, paper, envelope , stamps , got Oklahoma # for local call.

His @$$ in / on the wire. I'm pretty sure if Mrs dyer had the time to read the whole article , just like you , your opinion might change.

http://4umf.com/a-noble-lie-oklahoma-city-free-viewing/

read it & keep in mind , that was a rush job , I can get deeper , much deeper , with plenty more incriminating screen shots.
It's Chess , not Checkers.

Them screen shots mean nothing to you , mrs dyer , but they all just ingredients. The informants are scared , because they know what the cake is gonna taste like after it's baked. They are learning with everyone else....that I do have the proof.


-----Original Message-----
From: chris mortenson <cris.mortenson@gmail.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Gerry emery sent this today

Hey bro just got off the phone with miss dyer what ever your doing is causing problems. The bottom line is the US observer is involved now and he openly stated that he is going to run things ok? That means me, debby, miss dyer, and you gotta get on one page and we don't do anything unless we run it by him. You may have good intentions but what you are doing currently is posibbly hurting the case. Pls Pls listen to me bro and do what I'm asking I spent my own money on this so I want the best results possible. The # is 541-474-7885 us observer. Can you pay the other 5000 with that IOU that would be awesome and he will be paid in full and we all will be in the perfect situation to go all out on these idiots. He's a cool guy with 30 yrs of experience fighting corruption. Please listen to me and stop what ever you are doing. It's upsetting miss dyer and the informants are up to their old tricks calling her and lying about your motives. It's causing problems so please stop and call deb and get on the same page as everyone else. Tried to get on IM but couldn't find you. Anyway just relax and do what the expert says We payin good money after all no need to fight this by ourselves anymore. Need that other 5000 asap. This is exciting the ball is rolling finally in our favor.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:13 AM, EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com> wrote:
Cris , check out new article
http://4umf.com/a-noble-lie-oklahoma-city-free-viewing/

Watch " A Noble Lie : Oklahoma City 1995 " , free , full version , and read about How Rick minuteman Light , nancy Genevese , Amelia Foxwell and others , part of a network of informants in the patriot community set up Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot


-----Original Message-----
From: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
To: buffalogapkid2 <buffalogapkid2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: A noble Lie


actually I can prove it 7 since when did you start back to sucking Rick light's dick again? Thought you hated him? If you find anything that isn't true , I'll correct it , I'm not the one running from details & specifics.

Anyway , you can go back to being Rick's Bitch , I knew you were fake anyway!


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Emery <buffalogapkid2@yahoo.com>
To: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: A noble Lie

If you can't prove it EDOGZ, I sure hope you've got a good attorney. If you didn't know it, if you can't prove it, this is SLANDER.
Meanwhile, quit sending me these messages. I will be adding you to my block list and reporting this as spam, which it is.

From: EDOGZ818 <edogz818@aol.com>
To: mystc4star@aol.com; minuteman@texas-skies.com; randymack@youhavetreadonme.com; buffalogapkid2@yahoo.com; hunt@outpost-of-freedom.com; texas_patriot@att.net; texastoystore@gmail.com; militantzero@gmail.com; militiabb@1stpa-militia.net; a_marsh@3sog.org; arizonamilitia_@hushmail.com; aznjunkie@att.net; stewart301229@bellsouth.net; babazayid@yahoo.com; barksdale215@gmail.com; BIGDOG802@YAHOO.COM; DEATH7471@YAHOO.COM; burnsusmc@gmail.com; billyho_98@yahoo.com; blacknsmooth83@gmail.com; chargedup_ent@hotmail.com; caninecombat@yahoo.com; charlesleojohnson@gmail.com; charlesawallace45@gmail.com; come.hojo@yahoo.com; debbyswan@live.com; hunt@outpost-of-freedom.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: A noble Lie

http://4umf.com/a-noble-lie-oklahoma-city-free-viewing/

Watch " A Noble Lie : Oklahoma City 1995 " , free , full version , and read about How Rick minuteman Light , nancy Genevese , Amelia Foxwell and others , part of a network of informants in the patriot community set up Charles Dyer / July 4 Patriot

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EDOGZ818
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posted 08-17-2012 04:28 PM
P.S. :
This is "NEW INTEL", Swan doesn't even have it, or didn't, now the BOI has it and she will too.

Don't blame me, blame Breacher, the only weapon I have / use is the truth.

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EDOGZ818
Senior Member
Member # 4255

posted 08-17-2012 04:33 PM
>>>AWRM has a policy of never turning away New Intel right?

Hopefully you don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.

He took it public, when he didn't have too. He chose the arena to do battle.
He has my email, #, skype, yahoo, facebook, etc.

He could have at least try to confirm his false info if he really wanted too. He had no desire to be accurate, only attack, and he's been lurking for a while for the perfect opportunity, which never materialized, so he stepped out now, out of desperation.

Any questions, I'll be glad to answer, any proof, I'll be glad to supply it,

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If you simply take the information I gave you above.
Using the what ever state he is in copy of these two documents make a list of exactly what Dyer was tried for doing.
The Charge sheet filed by the DA is what he was charged with. Break it down to the item list of the offenses. Then take the Criminal Procedures and check that the DA followed it. If anywhere it was avoided that is a noteworthy item. Then look at the law that was cited by the DA to bring the charges. Make sure that every cite is and was at the time the law was broken was a valid state law. Then look at how Mr Dyer is said in the charges to have violated the law. If there was any errors that could be the reason to appeal on the error not on the innocence.
I live in one state and Mr Dyer is in another state. Look in his state for a local Sovereign freeman Attorney General under the common law of that state.
They will have better input than I could ever provide. You have all I can do.
While Black's law is nice don't forget Bouvier's is more Common law and proof based.
You have to remember that he was tried, convicted by a jury of his peers based upon instructions issued by the judge. You need those instructions and the Oaths I mentioned above.
Mr Dyer has at his disposal in Prison access to a very nice set of law books. He needs to use them.
He also needs to sit down and go over the transcripts of the trial to see exactly when he was screwed. He will pick up easier than you or I since he was there.

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I know ST, copied it, downloaded it.

We could download Blacks for free, print it & send it to dyer for less that buying? ( $230 cost vs $5 download on scribed ( day Pass ) & shipping & printing.

You cover the $5 "E" money, I'll down load, print & ship.
Deal?

Charge sheet is public info, but I don't know where to look for it, and obviously Nancy will keep it hidden to hurt J4P, so as it stands, it's us or nothing, until some one else steps in to assist.

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Dog, You better check your email.

I cut you a lot of slack and give you a lot of leeway.

However, in this case you are jumping to conclusions, making assumptions and running off at the mouth when you don't have all the facts. Take the tinfoil off, stop being paranoid and stop thinking everyone is a fed just cause they don't see things the same way you do. You don't know everything they know just like they don't have all the information you have.

And we are NOT going to get into another endless pissing match in open forum.

James Nix is the informant who worked with the feds to initiate the takedown of Sgt. Dyer. Evidence in this matter is critical in the appeal of Dyer.

Any other informants, moles etc came in AFTER the fact. Even if their involvement in derailing and subverting Dyers defense is fully exposed...that will not win the appeal...no matter how much you and Debra wish it to be so.

NOW,

If all the so called Dyer supporters on both sides of this clusterfuck care so much for Charles ...Why in the hell didn't ANY of you inform the USO about Nix and ask them to pursue the matter???

Until someone starts coming off with some answers to that question...I don't want to hear another God damned word.

RFN everyone involved in this mess is in the hot seat.
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I never informed USO because I never received any documentation verifying the Nix angle. None.

$95HR investigation fee, I was not authorized to have them chase down leads with no supporting documentation.

The USO is on record stating that they weren't pursuing the informant angle or prosecutions misconduct.

I was not in daily contact with USO.

I had 3 exchanges.

I told them to contact me if they needed info on the WRAM informants like Walfred, nancy, rick, Darren, etc.

1 2 Min Call, if that.
I told them that I was paying the other $5K payment.

1 2 Min Call ( If That )

1 Email exchange asking WTF is going on, after listening to Swan's complaints & reviewing her supporting documentation.

That exchange is posted.

Blame who ever is talking about the importance of the Nix angle, for not providing supporting documentation to be submitted for the vetting process.

USO charges $95 an Hr to investigate.

I, nor Swan or Cris ever stopped any one from paying them to investigate the Nix angle or ever interfered with their fiances.

Had I gave them unsubstantiated info....well, just look how the did Swan, and "ALL" her info is substantiated.

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I know that Cris has no knowledge of Nix. I doubt that you had heard about it either.

However numerous others had been informed. Hell, we've been discussing it here for years.

It's not new for those that have been around since the beginning of the case. Matter of fact, Nix is the one who started this shit storm. And, it's highly probable that he was supplying info on the OK militia's to Morris the sleaze before the feds ever became involved. Of course we all know who they work for.

No one is saying that youall didn't hire the USO.

But, when you hire someone to investigate; you have to let them do their job without interference or arm chair quarterbacking.

Like I told everyone about the BOI...once we begin the investigation we will do it our way. I imagine Ed works the same. Sure, you paid him to look into it; but he'll pursue the matter as he see's fit. And that may not be the way you, or I or Breacher would go about it.

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If these people had no knowledge of Nix, then what the hell was I explaining on their "radio show" right there to Edog? Nix had a web page about Debbie and everyone knew he was stalking her too before his site got taken down.

Even now, I have to sift through a bunch of re-posted PMS and emails just to get at what Edog's
"response" is.

I have work to do on other stuff (like making a living) but here is what I get out of it for now:

Edog did not know about Nix so did not mention him?

OK, then what the hell was I explaining on every single one of those radio shows?

Nobody else knew about Nix? Who the fuck would be nobody else? Nix was stalking and plastering shit about everyone on the case until his website got taken down. Jim knows, Nancy knows, Debbie should know. Shit, all of us know. I need to "prove" Nix existed and had a website about just about everyone in the case?

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Breacher,
On the show I listened to, when you mentioned Nix everyone started yelling over top of you.

Dog was the only one who listened to what you had to say. Claimed it was all new to him...and it probably was.

But, from that point forward he should've been looking into it.

And, the USO should've been advised immediately.

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Nobody else knew about Nix? Who the fuck would be nobody else? Nix was stalking and plastering shit about everyone on the case until his website got taken down. Jim knows, Nancy knows, Debbie should know. Shit, all of us know. I need to "prove" Nix existed and had a website about just about everyone in the case?

Exactly.

Nix was plastering rumors about everyone on the net from 2009-2011.

But, when he was arrested suddenly every post he made was scrubbed from the net as if it never existed.

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Evidence:

IE: Walfred's message
His message is evidence that Walfred sent it and is part of the conspiracy, but in regards to his statement that Nancy's friends Jim & Travis set up J4P, it has no evidence value, beyond Walfred's role as an informant.

A screen shot, with the address bar is thin, barely enough, and could go either way, a copy & pasted transcript emailed to me about Nix "PROVES" nothing in a court of law, besides that that particular person sent me the message.

( Email Header = Traceable verification, like screen shot with address bar, etc.)

I need a screen shot , with address bar, of NIX saying it ( In Amelia's Voice saying Rick feds the boys tons of info) "at bare minimum".

@Breacher:
You were explaining the Nix angle. Talking about it, nothing more. Your words are not evidence, but they did give people an avenue to research in hopes of finding evidence, but in reality, it wasn't evidence, and no where near the strength of Swan's evidence ( That you talked smack about & called "BREATHLESS".)

Let's face reality, that was a swipe at her and her information, calling it breathless, when in reality, your Nix info is what was "BREATHLESS" & unsupported.

Even right now, with all your 'chet talking about your "BREATHLESS" information, you haven't provided one shred that I could actually take to the USO.

What happenes when they say "OH, we spent the $10K researching the Nix angle & found nothing?

Is it your $10K wasted on "BREATHLESS" info?

Even right now, you refuse to post anything to validate the Nix angle, so what's your point?

You mad because I didn't send the USO on a wild goose chase running down leads on your "BREATHLESS" info that is %100 undocumented?

Is that why you mad?

You don't find it odd that the USO is parroting the informants slander line against Swan, like YOU do, and like YOU, none of you have the proof to back up your constant allegations?


Name one allegation that I made that wasn't supported by the documentation that made me feel the way I did.

Name one allegation I made without supporting evidence. 1

If I did make one without supporting documentation, it was only because I wasn't asked for it, not because I don't have it.

You on the other hand made several, then locked the thread & scurried off.

This thread was simply to get people like safe talker, who wanted to help with the appeals process the opportunity to do so in an appropriate manner.

That didn't imply that ST was gonna write the brief & argue it in front of the supreme court, he was offering avenues for J4P to research & helping get the information pooled for J4P so that he could research it.

Nancy, the informant, whom you are "obligated to support", <<<your words stepped in with a pre planned attack, that she admits she discussed the night before with Mrs. Dyer, and then you chime in spouting of your lies like they are facts.

Saying I contact the USO daily, or weekly, or monthly, or had convos with them beyond:

"If you need info on the informants contact me"

&

" I have the other $5,000 for you when you are ready."

& what I posted.

So miss me with the BS, because I will call it when I see it.

You should know this by now.

Bottom line is you have produced nothing on the Nix angle, even after being asked several times to do so. Nothing!

You acting like your so mad because I gave the USO what you gave me on Nix.....nothing.

What were they gonna do with that info?
Go to the judge & say " Free J4P because Breacher told EDOGZ818 that Nix coached Valerie & child?

That's your grand plan to free Dyer?

Then that BS about hurting his appeals.

How is Swan hurting his appeals? Be specific?

Oh, you gonna slide & drop that too huh?

You said it, and right about now, your info is looking "BREATHLESS".

Your feigned indignation is as misdirected as it is boolchet.

You haven't once stepped to the Mystic snitch about her sabotaging this thread for J4P with her usual undocumented BS, infact, you jumped right on in & started helping her, even covering for her with you BREATHLESS BS, because you knew she screwed up doing what she did.

She is in attack mode, anything she sees that may help Dyer get out, she has to attack.

WTF you think would happen if J4P got out today & found out about Mystics role?
All her lies about how she speaks for J4P, shutting down BBNow.org, advocating Swan's arrest for helping him, saying Swan robbed him, left him stranded, snitched on him, etc?

He'd probably make her eat a beer bottle before pulling out all of her hair.

They have to keep him in, incommunicado, to protect themselves. That's why they want MRS Dyer as his middleman, because they can influence her, trick her.

How many inmates in OK prison system rely on direct mail to get their funds?

Do all their mother's bring their funds 1x a month, because it is quicker than the 2x a month the prison brings it?

Miss me with that BS.

They get their $$$ just fine, and postal money orders are replaceable and traceable, so all that extra BS is, well "BREATHLESS".

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@Breacher:
What you need to prove is what you claimed...that Nix coached Valerie & the victim on how to lie to convict Dyer.


Nix plastering rumors & stuff on the web has less relevance that what Swan is plastering on the web, in regards to the case in chief, unless it is proof that he coached the participants on how to commit perjury.

That is the bottom line IMHO.

You saying he did it, is totally different than "PROVING" or being able to prove, or even being able to "INSINUATE" that he did in a court of law / court of appeals.

So I listened, but like everyone else, including Swan, you have to be able to prove what you are saying, with supporting documentation.

I have audio of people claiming Rick Light received payments for snitching, bought his new truck with it, etc, but all that proves is that some one said Rick received snitch payments.

Show one post of me saying Rick received snitch payments. Do I believe he did? Hell Yeah! Still, I can't accept that as evidence or make the claim that he did.....the most I could say, is that some one told me he did, and support that with the audio.

Does that prove that Rick received payments or does it just prove that someone told me that he did?

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Dog, you don't fucking get it do you?

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That you talked smack about & called "BREATHLESS".)

You ever hear a "holy roller" preacher...the kind who talks 300 mph ...non stop and never draws a breath?

They can't hear anything cause they never stop talking.

Now I see you doing it. Talking non stop and never listening.

Tell ya what..here's some info for ya.

I took the time to speak with an attorney about this case.

He said that even IF you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Charles, his family and the defense team was infiltrated by snitches, a judge will not give a damn...probably wouldn't even allow it to be brought up on appeal.

Why???

Because it doesn't prove that Charles was innocent of the rape charge.

New evidence must be found or evidence that was suppressed and or hidden from the defense is the only thing a judge will consider. This evidence must exonerate Charles.

Finding evidence to prove that Nix initiated the setup and coached Valerie is critical to this case.

I saw with my own eyes some of what Breacher is talking about. Nix was bragging about the set up. How he had infiltrated the OK militia, "discovered" Charles, how he went to Duncan to interview Charles and talked to his estranged wife Valerie FIRST. Nix even bragged about sharing info with various fed agencies. Nix was trying to make a name for himself. Trying to turn his Hate trackers website into a new splc.

But what I saw isn't admissible proof. It's hearsay.

Finding the proof is Ed's job.

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Nix angle wasn't totally new to me, but it was looking for a needle in a haystack, which is why I was all for soliciting help in the search.

I supported Breacher's effort, but if I had to choice between getting J4P Blacks Law dictionary or something better or searching for that needle, that I didn't even know what it looked like. I'll get him the dictionary, instead of risking coming up empty handed.

Bird in the hand beats 2 in a bush.

Never discouraged anyone from looking or distracted them from looking, like Mystic did above.

For that you make me Public Enemy #1?


I bet right now, $13K into your USO buddies and you can't say they helped Dyer 1 bit, but gonna talk schmack about me?

How much of J4P's money have I spent?
None. Never asked for any. When TNrose found out I was going to the trial, she offered to take up a collection to help with my expenses...I told her to send it to j4p instead. Ask her.

It takes $$$ to move an army & the OK trip wiped me out! Granted I never had $70 Million like Mystic >>>>Coughs 2x making it sound like "BoolChet"

So you were / are way off base with your attack on me, like you are with your obligation to support Mystic for whatever behind the scenes reason, because you can't defend Mystic & Walfred with a str8 face, in light of all the evidence you have seen.

Does JCroft or Greywolf unconditionally defend those snitches or do they let the chips fall where they may & objectively review the evidence?

Do they tell lies?
Do they make up excuses to attack me?

SMDH@Breacher

Face it, you played yourself, went out on a limb & fell on your face when I chopped it off.

If you had any sense at all, you would have known not to F with me in regards to helping Dyer.

Your call, you swung first, mistakenly, ( >>>Even though you intended to swing, it still was a mistake, on your part )

The Dragon has entered, staring at you, airing your crew, air freshening you, now here's what EDOGZ818 is gonna do, I'm gonna let you clean up your act & 'Ting, but if you front, I'm gonna throw you in an Irish Spring! I'm the winner like Charlie Sheen, you the loser like BUSH!

Apologize for your false accusations & lies you told about me or produce your PROOF!

You vs Me is like the Roach vs the FOOT.

You way to short to be a banger, and way to small to F around with this cliffhanger.

Take a break to gather your thoughts & choose your next move a whole lot more carefully that the dummy move you pulled when you first jumped on this thread.

Where is the Mysticstar informant?

I know she's "CLOAKING", watching this thread, trying to see if you will have any success against me.

She wouldn't take 3hrs to write a post & not check back in on it.

She had to see the beating you received because of your "admitted obligation to support her", but she isn't stupid, she knows these waters aren't safe for her to swim in anymore, just like you are finding out for yourself, first hand.

Why are you obligated to support that rat anyway?
HMMMMMmmm, you said it, I didn't, so clarify it for the BOI.

Rest assured I already did, even if it doesn't believe me, it can't say it didn't know, only that it didn't want to believe.

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Dog go back and read my last post. I was editing it while you were posting.

Most of your last post is irrelevant to this thread.

No one is calling you public enemy #1.

And don't come in here threatening any of my moderators.

They can call it any way they see it.

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@CSC:

I already know, but what it does prove, was that the government tampered with his right to a fair trail via it's informants like Nancy, Rick, Walfred & .......

"Finding the proof is Ed's job."...CSC

What Ed's job is or isn't, is between him & the people who payed him to do it.

Can we agree on that?

"But what I saw isn't admissible proof. It hearsay."..CSC

Who could find that easier, the people who saw it & know where to look, or Ed who doesn't?

What if Ed returns & says he spent $10K looking & didn't find 'chet...then what is the plan?

What are we as a whole supposed to do? Pay ED & sit on our Laurels, or pay ED & bust our butts trying to do as much to help him as possible?

If you & Breacher can't find it, how will Ed, when he has no idea where to look or what he's looking for?

Did Nix post it under James Nix or some other screen name?

So Ed is supposed to what? Spend my $5K looking for the screen name Nix used, then what, another $5K looking for the post?

That's our job, not his. Once we find it, if we find it, then we give it to him & ????? what is he gonna do with it?
Really?

Take it infront of the judge or give it to J4P to take infront of the judge?

Supposedly Jim already has it, so why doesn't Breacher step to him?
Attack him like he attacked me?

HMMMmmmm?

'Chet doesn't come close to adding up.
Not speaking about Nix, because it could possibly be the smoking gun, if we could find it, which is why I let Breacher speak on it during the show, for as much as I could.

Basically, it was the Breacher show, for the most part. I want that info found, I want as many people searching for it as possible.

I have my doubts about the USO.
Swan says they are comprimised, and the USO hasn't shown me one shred of proof that suggest otherwise.

Scroll up and read the email.

First thing he does is start off bragging about how he just got back from a "very successful trip to Oklahoma", the second thing he does, is flip out when I asked him to define "very successful" in relation to Charles Dyer's case objectively....then he's like " Oh! I can't tell you what I did"...etc.

Probably can't even show me any receipts proving that he even went to OK, but since Breacher is so tight with them, etc., maybe he can get the receipts if they even exist?

I'm no lawyer, but I can spot a BS artist. Not saying the USO is one, but they do set off my BS sensor.


"He said that even IF you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Charles, his family and the defense team was infiltrated by snitches, a judge will not give a damn...probably wouldn't even allow it to be brought up on appeal.

Why???

Because it doesn't prove that Charles was innocent of the rape charge."...Breacher

In reality, neither does Nix's confession if it can be located, but it is a start & something to hope for.

Con artist prey on hope. That's how they got Mrs. Dyer. She wants to believe, I want to believe, but at this stage, I need to "SEE" first, then think about believing after a closer examination.

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I didn't threaten any mods, unless I threatened to show proof to support my position?

Is that what your talking about?

If I did, I apologize, sincerely didn't mean to do that, I may have just been caught up in the moment of the baseless, false, BS attack Breacher launched on me out of no where.

He's tripping.

He could have picked up the phone, PM'd or emailed me. WTF would he attempt a public smear job like that without taking 5mins to reach out to me?

That doesn't seem weird to you CSC?
Then for him to do it & be totally wrong about it on top of that?

Those are red flags, along with his admission of being obligated to support Nancy?

Something is rotten in Denmark and it isn't the fish.

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quote:
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...csc you might want to be very careful here, just saying.

You really do want to rephrase that, don't you?

For future reference, I do not react well to threats, veiled or otherwise, directed to ConSigCor, or any of the other administrators, moderators, or anyone else here at AWRM.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Why is it you people nit pick every word I say and allow that idiot to post all kinds of lies....That is NO threat taken out of context is it referring to the appeal process and some of the posts DOG is allowed to post.
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Dog,
There's a reason why we can't find the evidence many of us read 2 years ago.

As soon as Nix was arrested his site went down. Everything and I mean everything was scrubbed of the net like it never existed.

That's why we wanted Ed to look into it in the first place. He has resources we don't.

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http://patriotlegaldefense.com/
for the 4th time DOG FACE this IS my site top left...DUH... see the chip in, look, try really hard to RETAIN THIS INFO so you DOG do not keep posting the same LIES over and over again.

And the other link posted is MY site DUH see all 3 of the chip ins posted?? DUH again.

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If anybody is still reading at the point- There are two separate issues:

(1) Get Dyer out of prison. It is next to impossible to sustain an appeal based on compromised or incompetent defense if the same verdict could have been rendered on the evidence presented in court. For the purpose of sustaining an appeal - who is an informant, fed, felon, liar, crook, or elf makes not one damn bit of difference. What matters is showing evidence contradicting guilt was not presented or withheld. In this, the Nix angle is important because of the witness tampering aspect, which is probably what the evidence of Nix's involvement will show from the USO investigation.

(2) Who is a confidential informant, fed, snitch, or just plain stupid is a matter for consideration that is important to us for the purpose of making progress in our struggle for liberty, but is not going to cause Charles Dyer to spend one day more or less in confinement. We do want to make certain that your accomplishments are widely publicized, so that you can get what is coming to you.

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Breacher didnt aree with dog and I see Breaher is now being called an informer?, LMAO, If it had not been for Breacher and Shane back on the M203 trial J4 may not have gotten a not guilllty verdict. Breahers made those videos, the expert witness was reached.

Do any of you know how the ATF measured the M203 to indict J4 to begin with? We found the Friday prior to the April 2010 trial, thanks to Breacher and Shane, they used a measuring tape to measure the M203 and the breach.

Thank you again for all your help on that Federal trial Breacher, you and Shane won that case with the expert witness for J4!!!


SO dog is now adding breacher to his "poof your a fed list" because breacher didn't agree with dog?

One by one each person not agreeing with swan and dog gets added to the :::poof list::::


hmmm and dog admits to getting paid to make up lies about all of us, on those 4umf webpages again?

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Irrelevant to thread?
Well the thread started to get off topic when Snitchticstar started "WORKING", and I ignored the snitch, and focused on Safetalker's suggestion.

Breacher took it totally off course when he started telling those BIG lies about me, well, maybe not, but yeah, I took it off topic when I clarified Breacher's lies & defended myself against them.

That's why I ignored The Snitchticstar, figured her job was to derail the thread anyway she could, so I figured, screw the rat, I'll focus on J4P, and it seems like once it was clear that I wouldn't let Mystic sabotage Dyer's help thread, right on cue, her self described "Obligated Supporter" started his BS.

Check back & see for yourself if they didn't edit it to hide the screw up.

Look how bad Mystic looks.
She spent 3Hrs typing a post to trash me on a J4P help thread & no hrs typing the list of info J4P needs researched.

You gonna tell me that it doesn't make you wonder why Mystic won't start a help thread with her so-called "RIGHT" info, but wanna fugg up this one?

Only a illiterate person couldn't read between those lines, the he accuses me of INFIGHTING as a solution, like he didn't see the person ( Snitchtic) he admitted that he is obligated to support actually start the infighting & admit that they were planning it since the night before, even consulting Mrs. Dyer about it?

Really?
Look at the thread...who started the fighting by spreading a bunch of easily provable lies?
Me or the Mystic & Breacher Team?

Let that marinate for a while as you scroll up & see for yourself who started the BS with their lie filled attacks.

BReacher & Mystic or me?
Breacher even violated site rules to do it.

If that is going over board with the BS, technically speaking, or speaking in any other aspect, the what is.

You reprimanding me for swinging back after the 2nd unprovoked attack and YOU witnessed them attack me not 1x, but 2X & only step to ME like I wasn't the one ignoring snitchtic's pre-planned BS?

Let me make this clear, I didn't ignore snitchtic out of fear, I did it to focus on helping Dyer.


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Dog go back and read my last post. I was editing it while you were posting.

Most of your last post is irrelevant to this thread.

No one is calling you public enemy #1.

And don't come in here threatening any of my moderators.

They can call it any way they see it.


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Nancy is correct about the help Breacher provided during the launcher case.

That is well documented.

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I really did not think I needed to explain Nix in detail, I thought everyone was up on that whole thing even from ARM and WRAM.

Threatening me....yeah well, I'll write that off to uninformed venting and this personality thing, since I am trying to be a nice guy. I guess its proof the guy never read any of my NCIC files.

Telling us there is a professional grade investigation on this and then making its primary focus the Debbie Swan thing is just not honest enough for me to want to deal with. I personally opened up the topic on helping Debbie Swan, but that was for her, the Dyer thing for Dyer, and yeah, Mystic had a point of whether or not a competing fundraising effort would mess things up and in my opinion, what has happened with the entire US Observer thing is very clear evidence of how that got messed up. The thing is, Mystics circle of people apparently were not accomplishing much either.

I am going to open up my own dialogue with Ed Snook but that does not mean I can or will cover everything that needs to be covered, or if something happens with me, someone has to pick up where I leave off.

The directive right now is to understand that Ed has not been informed beyond a 45 minute conversation with me about the Nix thing, or roughly the same info that I put out on Koernke's or Edogs radio shows. You folks have the archive stuff, and a few people here jousted with Nix, then there is Jim Stach, who had ongoing issues with Nix. Lets get the links and info together and make sure it gets to the US Observer, but they do seem to have a different thing in the works, right now because they had been on the case for a while and just heard about Nix in the last 24 hours. To them, it's new.

I am working most weekends right now, and my free time during the week is being taken up with a solar cargo trailer/workshop project. Something about Ed Snooks words on those emails "if I did this all for free I would be living under a bridge" is not too incredibly far off where I am at so I understand his mentality on it. I am living in a room rental and literally prepping for when I may not have that either, and have to go live in my camper the way some other guys have had to when this whole series of battles over various issues and jousting the windmills of government oppression take their toll when done on a volunteer basis, but for me, I explained a long time ago and repeat as often as needed, my relationship with the government has long since reached the point of no return to grace by their choices, not mine, and I am just on the payback is a bitch program.

Nix had demonstrated hostility for the patriot movement

Nix had been using a series of aliases to obscure a long established pattern of cyber stalking people he figured he would have a "green light" from the government to do harm.

Nix created a website which was roughly similar to the old Pitcavage "militia watchdog" and came up with a name not incredibly different from the SPLC established "Hatewatch" program, with one big difference, Hatewatch is openly a branch of the government through a series of funding grants which put them just marginally outside of government mandated agency transparency rules.

Nix had an established pattern of criminal behavior and greed.

Nix claimed to have been in regular communication with the SPLC and the FBI. While it was unclear who was paying him or how much, financial greed, desperation or some personality factor drove Nix to victimize individuals in the general public with some ripoff scams.

Nix had contact with Valerie Dyer, and discussed the case with her during that critical time before charges were officially filed, and apparently between the time the less than believable version of events got turned into this whole apparently tear wrenching act which leads people who hear it to think Dyer is guilty. Note, we have never once heard that side of the story or seen the video in such a way that it could be examined for voice stress analysis or other signs of deceptive behavior. I have had an expert standing by for years now waiting to see a video statement that could be examined in this way.

Nix has been proven to be smart enough to assist in coming up with a compelling story of rape, in fact he is an established fiction writer in addition to the website work that he has done. He is also an expert with all matters of sexuality from his experience running multiple prostitution rings. Whatever moral depravity someone in that trade might have, by default, they become experts on sexuality.

Ed Snook is pursuing a different angle that I think is a gamble but I see the sense of it by his logic, but it is still just a gamble and he admitted that it is risky and delicate. We still need to have the entire Nix angle ready to go in play just in case the other thing appears to fall apart.

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LOL-N @ Mystic cloaking:

For the X amount of time, the issue is that YOU took down the Chip in from ARM, not the legal site. Who in their right mind would go to an informant for help with their case?

Why isn't it on ARM?
Why isn't it on WRAM?

Sites where J4P was a member with friends and established relationships?

What's next, you gonna post it on a cooking website?

GTFOH where that B'chet.
Why isn't the chip in "ALLOWED" on ARM or WRAM, since it they are run by co-captains of his support team? Rick the Snitch & Snitchticstar?

Those two sites are the issue, so either offer up you BS lie or drop the subject. It was removed, and the fact that you are smoke screening means that you wanted it removed, as opposed to posted everywhere for everyone to see.

Mrs. Dyer made you post it here snitchtic, you said so yourself & we haven't even got into your behavior on truth Hiders Network of informants.


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http://patriotlegaldefense.com/
for the 4th time DOG FACE this IS my site top left...DUH... see the chip in, look, try really hard to RETAIN THIS INFO so you DOG do not keep posting the same LIES over and over again.

And the other link posted is MY site DUH see all 3 of the chip ins posted?? DUH again.

"Breacher didnt aree with dog and I see Breaher is now being called an informer?"...Snitchtic

No, Breacher is being called an informer because he admitted to turning people in to the feds in various attempts to get leniency.

He's obligated to support you, are you obligated to support him too?

What is that obligation, because Breacher hasn't denied the allegations, only YOU snitchtic.

He knows I didn't make it up, and that those were his exact words, that he offered without coercion.

So miss me with the BS Snitch!

@CSC:
If it was scrubbed, what makes you think Ed can find it and at what cost?

He first has to find out????? What site, when & under what name?

Again, like Mystic being an informant doesn't prove J4P is innocent, Nix saying so doesn't prove he is either.

I'm all for looking, because it may possibly pan out, but not at $95 an hr, and not giving it to Ed for him to explain to me that he doesn't have to explain anything to me, or tell me what he did.

He could say he did or didn't find it & then what?
That he tried "something" and it didn't work, and he needs another $5K to try something else, that he can't document him doing either.

What evidence is there to prove that he did anything to help Charles Dyer?

Obviously, he'd rather hide his actions than get paid.

Mrs. Dyer needs Ga$ to go see J4P & Mystic doesn't even have that for her, she's gonna pay Ed $95 to search for Nix's post?

All Nix post proves, if it is found, as that he said he did. Still have to find out / Prove if and how he did it.

True or not?

Or is it so simple that all I have to do is post that I coached Valerie & the prison doors will automatically swing open for J4P?

Case in Chief is the issue right? Or rather the appeal of it.

That is the purpose of this thread, to help J4P develop info that could help his appeal.

Mystic & Breacher are wrong for sabotaging it & turning it into an attack thread.

Mystic has no intention of helping J4P, if she did, she wouldn't need an "E" foot up her @$$ to post the list of stuff J4P asked to have researched.

Think about it, if I had the list, would I post it or hide it?

Matthew 7:15 " By their fruits You will know them"....Jesus

Let that marinate for a while while I start celebrating me & J4P's Bdays.

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1 Last thing for Snitchticstar:

Post the proof that I get paid to make up lies about you snitches, and include the name of your fellow informant.

@CSC:
On Mystic's allegations, I purposely leaked inaccurate info about 4UMF for one reason:

If you have a leak, what do you do? Flush 'chet down the toilet and see where it comes out right?

Like the battle of Midway, feeding the info the false info about the water condenser being broke, so when the Japanese reported that AF's condenser was broke, they knew that AF was Midway.

When the snitch that was supposed to be my ally reported the fake info to the network, and they ran with it, I knew that there was a leak.

I sent that info to a limited number of people, so for it to get back to Mystic, meant that one was a leak.

Proof?

How many emails did me and the person exchange after the leak? 1

HMMmmmmm?

So let her post the info, complete & you judge the source.

Also, read the articles, with snitchtic's help & find one lie, prove it false & it will be corrected. Instantly.

You have noticed yourself, that despite what others do, I play fair, even when it's clear that I don't have any obligation to do so.

I proved they are making up lies about me, they can't prove that I lied about them 1x.

IE: BBNOW, Amelia calling Rick an informant, Nancy lying about........

It's one thing for snitchtic and crew to call me a liar, quite another to prove it.

Did I lie to an informant? Yes
Why?
He was an informant.

Did I lie to YOU CSC or in an article about the snitches? No! I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

Best they could hope for is to go through them all & hope to find an "ERROR", that I will correct upon being notified of it, as opposed to continuing to lie about it like they do, or post attack threads under a sock puppet like Sandman369 did.

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Yeah well, I found out today that Debbie had apparently filed a criminal complaint against Ed Snook here in the State of Oregon.

Anyone want to explain how useful Ed Snook would be to any of the defense investigation would be if she got her way and he were in jail?

How would that have worked out for the other cases that the US Observer is currently involved in, you know, when someone claiming to also be associated with us pulled the trigger on the complaints that would have landed him in jail or could still be used against him if he got too aggressive about a case?

Now I have to consider him compromised to some degree, because someone decided to file a criminal complaint against him apparently with the feds. So how cautious does he need to be in not upsetting any apple carts? Very, and now that's part of the problem, not part of the solution. Previously he would start shit with anybody for anything if it got the job done, now he has to worry about ducking an indictment because the Debbie camp decided to get vindictive when he did not want to just be their meat puppet.

Again, I had to find that out today, by happenstance. None of us knew that Debbie had actually submitted criminal complaints against the US Observer. No fucking wonder there was a bunch of hush hush about communicating with them.

A selfish and vindictive move that I had to find out too late to do anything about it might just be taking down the US Observer to the point they could not help with other cases. Whether or not they want anything to do with me or us is another matter entirely, made much worse by our association with Debbie Swan.

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@Breacher:
Never threatened you, I think you took it wrong.

NCIC files?
No, I never read yours, only your commo that you sent to me.

Nix info on ARM & WRAM? or known by them?
Maybe, but those snitches aren't interested in helping Dyer, so either start from scratch or forget about it.

Here is the catch....finding Nix's post in one thing, a start, yes, but totally different from proving it.

That's like Walfred's post being evidence that J4P was innocent of launcher case.

That isn't enough.

You need Nix's post, coupled with phone records or email exchanges or something to corroborate that.

Physical evidence.

If corroboration by physical evidence isn't an issue, then here, take this to the court & get J4P out now:
Mystic / I coached Val"

Is that quote the smoking gun you have been looking for?

It ain't that easy.

it's a whole lot easier to prove that Nancy & Rick ( Walfred too? ) interfered with Dyer's right to a fair trial on behalf of the government.

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Mrs Dyer asked if I would please post this info here regarding sending funds directly to Charles. I thought I posted it twice, but will try again. She mentions the online, printable deposit slip, if anyone is interesting in using this form of sending funds to J4, we will get the proper web page so that you may print the deposit slip from the proper area and send this envelope to Granite jail to be later transported to the county holding jail J4 is in temp. Just give a holler and Jan will take care of that slip for you. There is address info needed and other info you might need for J4.

As per Jan Dyer: report number 3 (unless I am posting this one wrong somehow)


This is the 2nd part of what Jan Dyer asked me to add online and in AWRm, I did post it this morning when the above post was posed I do not see this one so am adding the post again, as per Jan Dyer regarding helping her son and funds getting to him, the deposit slip, which can be printed from online.

I found several DOC OK state deposit slips online to print and mail in funds with the slip attached. If anyone is going to use this method of sending funds to Granite, let someone know we will help look further into locating the correct online printable deposit slip from OK DOC.

Happy Birthday Mrs Dyer!!!


Reposting, from 930 AM 8/17, Jan Dyers requested info:


This is part of the post Jan asked I add online:

Jan Dyer
53 minutes ago
Anyone who wants to "send money directly to Charles" so there will be no question as to whether I get it to him or not, here are the regulations. It can only be sent in the form of a money order (no personal checks, cash, cashier's checques). It needs to be made out to Charles Dyer with his DOC # after his name, must be signed by purchaser and one the memo line put prisoner account. This must be mailed to the Granite prison and nothing else sent in the envelope. If you send money or checks to Charles they will not be given to him.

If there are any questions let me know.

It is easier to mail it to me and I will see that it goes to him. I really am an honest person, even though there are some that say I don't support him and am trying to keep the money instead of sending it to him.

I have a job and we are not going hungry. I will 70 on Saturday and intend to keep working till Charles is FREE. Please do not believe those that say I am dumb, unaware of things and just plain old.

I have a brain, I know what is going one and I really do care about my youngest son. We have lost one son and do not wish to lose this one. The other one died and this is like a living death.


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Jan Dyer Our address is John and Jan Dyer 5103 Hope, Marlow, OK 73055 I talked to him today and he says please do not send money to him. It will be lost or misplaced. He would like to have letters. Charles' address is Charles Dyer DOC# 679682 1200 S. Main Frederick, OK 73542 Charles is now using indigent defense attorneys so the money is going to Charles, not to attorneys or our expenses.


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Jan Dyer I have a copy of the deposit slip that must be attached to any money order if anyone is interested. I have a problem trying to copy it here.

If you want one and don't want it from me get on the Ok doc deposit slip in google and it will pop up for you.
Tuesday at 8:18pm • Like


Jan Dyer
Tuesday
Anyone who wants to "send money directly to Charles" so there will be no question as to whether I get it to him or not, here are the regulations. It can only be sent in the form of a money order (no personal checks, cash, cashier's checques). It needs to be made out to Charles Dyer with his DOC # after his name, must be signed by purchaser and one the memo line put prisoner account. This must be mailed to the Granite prison and nothing else sent in the envelope. If you send money or checks to Charles they will not be given to him.

If there are any questions let me know. It is easier to mail it to me and I will see that it goes to him. I really am an honest person, even though there are some that say I don't support him and am trying to keep the money instead of sending it to him. I have a job and we are not going hungry.

I will 70 on Saturday and intend to keep working till Charles is FREE.

Please do not believe those that say I am dumb, unaware of things and just plain old. I have a brain, I know what is going one and I really do care about my youngest son. We have lost one son and do not wish to lose this one. The other one died and this is like a living death.


Jan Dyer
August 8
There are some that are asking about sending things and/or money to Charles. He has everything he is allowed to have and any money has to go to the Granite Prison in the form of a money order and specific things have to be put on it. Then Charles only gets it when the case manager comes to the facility he is at and brings it from Granite.

This only happens 2x a month (if they are lucky). If you want Charles to have money on his account please send it to me and I will buy one money order just before they come to Tillman County and then will send Charles a list of who sent it and how much and the addresses if they are on the envelope or in the letter and will send all notes and letters he receives at our home to him. Our address is 5103 Hope, Marlow, OK 73055. If there are any questions don't hesitate to send me an e-mail.
Thanks, Jan D

***Jan Dyer; The weapons charges have been dismissed without prejudice. This means they can theoretically keep them on the back burner and recharge later if they wish. It will look like harassment to me if they do, but that is at their discretion.
^^^^^mystc chiming in; Yyayayayay!!!!!


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Jan Dyer Weapons charges dismissed without prejudice. They can refile later if they see fit.****


(Good news for once the firearms docket call and motion hearings were set for last week, the 2 firearms charges were dismissed "in the name of justice,:

Now does anyone want to add their ideas as to why the DA added "In the name of justice" to the formal dismissal - certified"

Breacher how about you, I bet you know why the DA added those 3 words? [Smile]


August 8 at 12:53pm
Jan Dyer There are 2 ways to dismiss. Without prejudice means they can reword and refile or do so if there is new evidence within the statute of limitations if any (this happens to be 7 years from discovery of the "crime"). With prejudice means that there can never be charges of any kind filed connected to that charge even if there is new evidence unless it reveals a different crime (ie: destruction of stolen property v possession of). Was confusing for me, too.
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Jan Dyer
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*note posted as is I corrected about 4 typos for Jan

ps: Now that The Grey Wolf sent me instructions on where to find the setting to see if there is a check mark in appear online kinda setting, I saw there was a check mark allowing my name to be offline. Until then I had no idea what Wolf was speaking of. I removed the check and decided its been there for several years without my knowledge, I decided to leave the account settings as they stand.

There is nothing mysterious about my account settings and me deciding to leave the check mark as is. Grey wolf thank you for the email to explain this setting to me, I appreciate the time you took to send me a PM.

edit to add links found online for deposit slips to be sent with money order or as per the state of OK DOC. This looks like the right slip, please confirm before using. We will send a few on to Jan to see if she is sure of the proper OK state DOC deposit slip.

please verify this to be correct before using this deposit slip.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/adminservices/offbank/OBS%20DEPOSIT%20SLIPS.pdf

To insure funds are posted properly, Please fill out Deposit Slip entirely and legibly.
Please make copies of this form or go to www.doc.state.ok.us and access
"Offender Banking System- OBS Deposit Slips" to obtain more copies.
Please make sure you include the offender’s name, DOC# and the senders name on the
money order or cashier’s check or it will be returned to the sender.
OBS Deposit Slip

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Prosecutors will throw the phrase "in the name of Justice" around for a lot of things, but usually it implies an ongoing operation of greater importance has taken precedence over whatever the matter at hand is, and it is a tactical decision to drop the matter at hand.

The issue with Dyer going through ANY trial at this point (and one reason I was recommending someone throw some civil charges around at the opposition, not our own people) is that it brings witnesses to court and gets people on the witness stand where we can open up bits and pieces of issues that are open in the appeals on the sex abuse case.

The prosecutor knows there is a problem with the sex abuse conviction and right now probably wants to avoid anything that would involve Dyer getting into a courtroom, especially if it involves any summons on anyone who would be discussing the nature of the warrant where the firearms were obtained. Reason being, if there is a problem with the warrant (there are probably several) in the firearms case, then that retroactively gets applied to the sex abuse case, and can help win the appeal for Dyer. They already have him on a 30 year sentence, so trying to get some little two year thing that would probably go concurrently anyway is a waste of time.

It is pretty common for charges for smaller issues to be dropped if the prosecution can nail someone on a big case.

I think before Walfred was invited to leave, he gave some bad advice on how those jail commissary donation things work. I take it not just as a convenience to send the money to Mrs Dyer, but a security issue since unlike what Walfred said about blank money orders, they actually do throw away donated funds regularly if they decide to have any doubts about the way something is filled out. Money from the family though, that's another issue since A, they usually have intimate knowledge on how the funding system works, and B, they visit frequently enough that they can get in someone's face about misssing money.

Money missing from donations to someone's commissary books is very very common in cases which have even a remotely political element unless the prisoner has several sympathetic prison staff members on his side.

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I agree %100, which is why I support investigating that angle & preparing it for Ed.

Is Snook pursuing a risky and delicate angle?
Yes!
Has Snook went on record saying that Swan's info was BS?
Yes!

That info covered informants like Nancy Genovese as well as the prosecution's misconduct.

For that, I call his operation BS, but all I wanted him to do was pursue Swan's info / plan/ strategy / suggestion in "addition" to whatever he was doing.

I made that %100 clear, but for him to expect that he wasn't, and was going to keep Swan's money that she paid him to do, after he agreed to do it, and then start talking smack about her, basically repeating Nancy's & the "other" informants standardized line of slander, and not get J4P out, without consequences is ridiculous.

If fact, that type of thinking borderlines on stupidity fueled by lack of experience in this matter.

For all that, he could have just refunded the unused portion $9,470 to J4P's prison account.

He is on record saying he wasted 6hrs on Swan's info, then later, says $4,300?

GTFOH!

So after going on record stating he wasted 6hrs pursuing Swan's info, he expects a jury to believe he then decided to waste another 37?

That is some stupidity that only Nancy and the "OTHER" snitches would believe.
Not an issue though, because there is a totally different set of laws that apply to Marines & active duty personnel actively serving on deployment in a combat zone, in regards to swindling them, if he is / did / does.

So he can do whatever he thinks that he is going to get away with, and if he does get away with it, then it's all hi-fives and Laughy laugh Jokey Joke at our expense, but if he doesn't, he won't have any one to blame for it but himself, and he shouldn't expect any pity from any of us if the court system smashes him.

Still and all, with that being said, my official position is to support Ed as much as possible, in regards to his efforts to free J4P.

If the time comes where we have to be adversaries based on his actions or lack thereof, in regards to J4P, so be it.

At this stage, J4P's enemies, are my enemies.
If the informants like Nancy succeed in getting me imprisoned like / with Dyer, and I see 10 guys attacking him, bet your bottom dollar that it will turn into 2 vs 10, quicker thaN you can say:
"Mysticstar is a MILITIA SNITCH!"

You can bet your left testicle on that!


"Ed Snook is pursuing a different angle that I think is a gamble but I see the sense of it by his logic, but it is still just a gamble and he admitted that it is risky and delicate. We still need to have the entire Nix angle ready to go in play just in case the other thing appears to fall apart." Breacher

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Well look at all this..

First,


I am the one, who ask Breacher to reopen the thread...

I did that to see every ones response to Breachers post.....

Breacher had just got off the phone, and just like you Edogz, was all wound up and posted his thoughts...

your reaction though somewhat understandable was over the top...

You accused breacher of being a "snitch" with no proof,

just anger...

Breacher has his beliefs right now..

Are they right or wrong?

That's exactly what we all here at AWRM are trying to figuring out ....

Is it possible to change his mind...Do we need too?

another thing we are figuring out....


Is everyone one right about every single thing they have said, accused, or posted...

Absolutely not...

But it is making a record and everything is being kept.. So every one involved better have their stories straight...

Second...

You say Breacher confessed to turning people in...I haven't seen that anywhere.. Show me...

Third....

Just because some of the patriots are not convinced that Nancy's bunch are feds,

doesn't make them snitches..

What you have alleged about Nancy's bunch isn't easy to prove to some...

I will keep my thoughts to myself about it till the BOI rules...

Forth...

Nix, AKA "gossip boy" is on a site call the Phoenix militia (phoeNIX) bragging about setting up patriots..

http://www.phoenixmilitia.com/Militia_Watchdog.pdf

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Militia_M.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=mm

http://www.phoenixmilitia.com/

Read the part about the oathkeepers...Gossip boy is Nix

http://www.phoenixmilitia.com/Journal.html


That is his own words...

So he is an enemy period....

You have said, you have proof of these people saying they are receiving payments in their own words..

show me....

That would be proof...

Fifth...

I wouldn't take Swans word that she USO is compromised...

How does she know?

she is guessing because they haven't done as she has ask...

Proof needed period..

Sixth...

Just because someone pisses you off doesn't make them a snitch,

if that was true 99% of the militia would be snitches...

seventh...

I didn't like the "greywolf, J croft,CSC and all the good patriots, Or at least the ones who haven't proved themselves otherwise".

Comment,

I looks like your saying all the ones who haven't come out against you...

And that pisses me off...

but because it does, doesn't make you a snitch..

Breacher,

Deb filling charges against the USO shows that she is also willing to make accusations against folks who don't agree with her...

Somebody needs to line her out, that everyone who is skeptical is not your enemy...

Some others could take that to heart too....

I will leave this here right now....

I haven't been able to read all the 10,000 word thread explosion yet...

Just a word of advise to all...

Just because you can blow up a thread with thousands of words doesn't make your argument the truth...

Just sayin...

but the more all of you talk, the better...

greywolf

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@gREYWOLF:
Over the top with Breacher?
Maybe, but I'm over the topalready, been over the top.
You can say I'm "ROOFED", ie: Ball goes ON top of ROOF, IN INNER CITY DURING GAME. ( F Ball, B Ball, etc. )

I've been roofed since I found out Mystic, Rick, Amelia, Walfred, Nancy, etc. were part of the network of informants operating in the patriot community was exposed operating agains Dyer.


Breacher attacked me, unprovoked, unjustified, unwarranted, and on some bool'chet, in a cowardly, f'Upped up. well to top it off, he used lies.


I posted the info on Breacher when I made the accusation.

Breacher hasn't challenged it, and neither should you....considering he's backed off, I didn't start it, and you should know I ain't Bool'Chettin.

Scrool up, re read, & if needed, re ask & I will repost.

I suggest conferring with Breacher first.


I'm here for the J4P snitches, and them only.

You can't put a man on a hot stove, then get angry at what he says.

I told no lie, started no I'sh, they attacked me today, while preparing to celebrate me & J4' Bday.

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So you made an accusation against Breacher, and posted a link.... Where he says he turned people in to save himself???...

One of the two links you posted doesn't work.. the other takes you right back here..WTF?

http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=000059#000002

Who cleared out the first link???

and where is that info, if it is relevant????..

Or is it a fake link 000059#000002?

something is missing p= or is that it?...Proof?

If that was anything.. you should have saved a copy.. other then that I see no proof yet...

I of course did not find it...

probably because of the ten mile long post....

Breacher, maybe hasn't challenged it because he has cruised through the mile of posting, you did above..

The rest of us are out doing the things we need to do to prepare for the fight that is coming and don't have 12 hrs to read the posts especially when you repeat parts of it over and over..

It drowns out the new parts...

I am not defending breacher.. he can do that himself, I am sure..

So breacher, said some things that pissed you off..

Well, welcome to the real world and put on your big boy pants...

Things will be getting rough...

Dog, I don't take many peoples word for much... The fact breacher hasn't challenged it...

Doesn't bother me yet...

maybe only means he missed it..

I will give him time to respond...

I research and come to my own conclusions..

Sometimes I don't agree with CSC, or breacher and many others, and sometimes they don't agree with me..

But that don't make any of them snitches..

And they aren't yes men either..So don't hold your breath waiting on someone just to back you up without hearing all sides...

I would rather some one challenge my thoughts, in order for me to fight for them, and prove to myself I am right.. For me...

I am still reading all this stuff you posted and I still haven't reach that link....

I found where you posted what you say is breacher emails is this the proof you are preaching


Originally posted by Edogz
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"Dude, I feel for the Debbie situation and while I openly am obligated to defend Nancy, I got some warnings from my lawyer about her."...Breacher

Why are you openly obligated to defend a snitch / informant?

Are you one too Breacher?
Wait, I'll answer that for you, YES!
Here is the proof that Breacher is part of a NETWORK of informants / snitches:

"Believe me, I tried making a deal with the feds a while back. I kept some contacts with the Iranians on the back burner of sorts (still do to a degree), just in case something happened and I needed something juicy to trade to the feds for a ticket out of jail. I tossed the feds a cache location (the shit was mine anyway) as a good faith offer then laid out the Iranian deal. You know what? The cocksuckers still used the cache handover against me and threw the Iranian thing back in my face like it was nothing. Same with some some other fairly solid stuff some of the "network" would have been willing to help out with if the feds would just let me function. We had been keeping a few tabs on real criminals but the intel guys don't hand it over to the feds for free, it gets handed over when we need something from them,"...Breacher

"These new feds, they are stupid and brutal man, you can't reason with them or deal with them." ...Breacher

>>>@ Breacher: How the fugg would you know that you can't deal with the feds unless you tried?

I never spoke about your snitching Breacher, helping Dyer was my only concern, so your snitching I just dismissed, but now that you are officially a Dyer / J4P informant, with a flick of my wrist, I ball up my fist, I hate a J4P snitch, and right now you at the top of my list!

***************8

There is more Breacher Snitch:

"So on the old deal, if one of our guys got too much heat, it was just a matter of tossing the feds a doper, or preferably, a doper who had lots of cash which of course never turns up after the feds move in on him, commie doper even better, which you used to be able to find without trying too hard in California. With all of this terrorism shit going down, it was just assumed that the feds would trade letting one of our guys off if we kicked them some Arabs, but no, some other shit is going down. They flat turned down a deal where they would have easily gotten $150K in money plus burning some Iranian government reps who were wiling to meet me in Europe. It's that bad man. In the old days, a call to the US attorney with an offer of services for a set period of time could get someone off. Your group would do some "mission impossible" shit and they would ransom your guy out of jail."..Breacher

that's your proof?...The fact he said he turned his own cache in and tried to give up some Iranians? The other is some Hypothetical overseas situation about ratting out a doper?.. If he said it to me I told him that's a dumb Idea.. you can't trust the feds ever..

PS this is the only warning I will give you.. You call any long time member of this site a snitch you damn well better have the proof.. Take that how ever the hell you want to take it...

greywolf

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Yeah, once upon a time we made deals to use militia resources against real criminals in return for dropped charges and sometimes leniency against our people. A few groups still do that, but for the most part, everything fell apart on that in the 2005-2007 period when someone during the Bush administration decided they did not want us around any more and put out the directives to "neutralize" some of our leadership.

I mean, people can play the denial game if they want to, but back in the 1990 up to around 2002-2003, if you got burned on an illegal weapons thing and were not like sitting outside the federal building with an Uzi and sack of hand grenades, you could call some guys in the network, get some decent info on some dopers, then pass that through, and the lead agent would have something good enough to go and ask for the charges to be dropped "in the name of justice". Even if it took a little more effort, some people in the network would put in some unpaid overtime, work a case, then call to say it was because so and so needs to be let go.

All that shit started falling apart in 2005. Heck, even one of our people who was a state level prosecutor got burned on weapons charges. Then again, just two or three years ago I got some stuff on the whereabouts of Whitey Bulger.
As it was, we got played. There was no deal, it was a test to see how much of suckers we would be. The feds had been sitting on Bulger for a long time anyway.

Now in looking over the Cox case out of Alaska, I find out dopers were getting paid to work militia cases, something that I know had previously happened in a few other places, but thought that since our guys rarely broke many laws while the dopers rarely obey them, the dopers would know that working against us is usually going to be a losing deal for them, the problem is our lack of street credibility. What none of us fully understood at the time was how deeply the Justice Department and our traditional enemies in the BATF have gotten involved with their favorite factions among the Mexican mafias.

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@gREYWOLF:

Do you really buy that line of bull Nancy is pushing, that anyone who dis agrees with me is called an informant?

She lies so much, but anyway, .....

Well Breacher clarified it himself.

With that being said, when you attack one, they circle the wagons.

It is a NETWORK.

Not some individual who got popped & turned snitch to save their @$$, but that is how they recruit them, like I believe they recruited Nancy, when she got busted riding Glen Beck's......um, er, coat tails.

It is what it is.

My big boy pants are on, been on, believe that.

I'm not making excuses to apologize based on my feelings being hurt, just explaining why I had to put the smack down on Breacher so hard.

He struck first, I just got him up off me.

Could we have handled it better?

Indeed, and I'm sure we both wish he would have.

Big boy pants are on...Kids gloves are OFF!

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Well, All I know right now is, there isn't much time and all this will be moot soon...

Things are about to change fast, and only the ones who are ready..

mind body and spirit... have any hope..

I ain't buying much of anything said right now...

I got bigger fish to fry..

that's that....

My scotch-Irish side says we got rip them apart...

My Iroquois side says lets be smart and let them rip themselves up and finish off the stragglers...

Let the great spirit lead the way... never failed me before...always can see the lies...

But BS time..... no don't have time for any of that from now on.....

so we'll see, we'll see real soon...

Greywolf

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Right now you can call me a fed (which I was at one time) then also, because I am fed up with BOTH sides.

As far as I can see we have two females with giant ego's and a jail house lawyer mentality. No REAL Law school training, but they both think they do. They both also appear to suffer from ACUTE PARANOIA and egos that must be stroked at every opportunity. As to who either of them sleep with or whether they ever charged for it or took something in trade is totally useless to helping Dyer. It is brought up as a distraction and lots bought into it when they should have been paying attention to the real issues.

We have had page after page of useless BS to sift thru and it is still going on with y'alls little name calling, cut and paste jobs and screen shots.

Right now the only person I am concerned for is Dyer. Both sides have done more to hurt him AND his family than the Feds did originally. Now think about that before any of you open your mouths or pound your keyboards!

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quote:
Originally posted by ConSigCor:
Breacher,
On the show I listened to, when you mentioned Nix everyone started yelling over top of you.

Dog was the only one who listened to what you had to say. Claimed it was all new to him...and it probably was.

But, from that point forward he should've been looking into it.

And, the USO should've been advised immediately.

quote:
Nobody else knew about Nix? Who the fuck would be nobody else? Nix was stalking and plastering shit about everyone on the case until his website got taken down. Jim knows, Nancy knows, Debbie should know. Shit, all of us know. I need to "prove" Nix existed and had a website about just about everyone in the case?

Exactly.

Nix was plastering rumors about everyone on the net from 2009-2011.

But, when he was arrested suddenly every post he made was scrubbed from the net as if it never existed.

I have an entire rant on a word pad I took these few lines below from I been typing the reply to these from 9 PM it is now 2:11 AM...we had someone pull a hand gun on us tonight in the convertible... I think I am calm now.


so I am sticking to facts here and no rant will be posted:

Nix was arrested in about the end of the yr 2010 and court docs said 3 felony charges of taking money for property that eh didn't own. NIX was convicted of all 3 felonies Feb 2011.

Just a little note here: the very same day J4 turned himself in in TX HT site was gone off the internet.

and a little note to you Csc giving the benefit of the doubt to dog about not knowing about HT and J4...just some FYI for you all.

[[[Snip, comment from above CSC post:
Dog was the only one who listened to what you had to say. Claimed it was all new to him...and it probably was.
But, from that point forward he should've been looking into it.
And, the USO should've been advised immediately.]]]


DOG was fully informed of NIX and who he was and everything we knew about HT on that 9 hour convo with Shane and me Dec 2011. Ask Shane about it DOG, Errol Medina, was 100% filled in on every single question he asked us over and over again…and he was answered repeatedly during that 9 hour convo between Shane me and Dog.


Dog called Shane at 1:30 AM and the 3 of us talked til about 9:00 AM the following morning with any break, or sleep.

You see the way he repeatedly posts the same lies and questions even after he gets an answer he just continues to copy and paste the same questions and LIES over and over again; you can bet your bottom dollar Dog did the same thing on the 9 hour phone call so he got all his answers more then once.


CSC and ALL of you MUST, BY NOW see the lies I have simply and easily proven, with that said;
Now that I have explained all or most of Dog’s (knowingly misleading this forum) his LIES about me alone, what dog did in fact know about hatetrackers you may want to re-consider the guessing dog may not have known about HT and his alleged setting up Val and the child with all they needed to get J4 arrested and convicted. Dog knew the entire HT story.


Please....Do NOT believe for one minute hate trackers was not covered extensively in that 9 hour convo…it’s about time someone stopped Dog from doing this to our community.


He should either stop, post *****REAL BLACK AND WHITE PROOF THAT ONE OF US IS AN INFORMER*****
...real proof or shut up and /or get out of our good communities and stop attempting to divide all.


Imagine this: everything dog has posted about us is a complete lie, all of it...What does that make this forum look like and how many people has Dog and swan willingly hurt and worse ENDANGERED?

Tonight, while in the convertible with the roof down, my son and I were almost run off the road and chased by a crazed nut with no plate on the front of his truck, he also grabbed a handgun from a box or console between his seats...


I sent you the copy of J crofts Jan 20 2010 web page where HT had J4 on the entire HT site did you receive it Breacher? I can send it again if needed. I downloaded it and emailed J croft about it.

myst

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