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My official statement on this, and a recent "campaign" from James Yeager, also looking to raise money for a slicker social media project and vanity video publishing. Hint, if you are waving tens of thousands of dollars worth of firepower in front of a camera, don't go broadcasting for someone to feel charitable enough to buy you a $2,000 video camera.

Oh, and Ian, Hoss USMC, cool guy, but wants someone to pay his way to travel around the country interviewing and doing videos of militia people. Dude is able bodied and can do his videos in between working and travelling, especially since he expects to deal with a bunch of folks who seem to show a constant resentment of those who have come up from Mexico looking to WORK. Lets see Hoss do some farm labor.

All of that shit is someone elses social media, and after that clusterfuck with Charles Dyer and the money spent on those people from Southern Oregon, I am fresh out of tolerance for people making $100k+ per year having the gall to ask for money.

Adam Kokesh is a strong young man who can get himself some paid work humping lumber at construction sites, probably better than I can. He can then make a good paycheck and buy some good cameras, or pay his dope head pals to edit his videos from screen grabs at regular media outlets.

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Whoa now Hoss your gonna blow a gasket !!!
I find it odd that after a little exposure and some regular viewers that they start asking for MONEY.

Ian Hoss USMC want to do and what? Hell you don't even film people you know much less stranger danger types. Border SOP has a thing about film flagging. And as you have so aptly put you Take-a my picta i break-a your face !! I agree first off its rude. Second off its without consent. thirdly like my culture it is seen as taking a piece of you. fourth who all is going to get it. and fifth what are the feds going to Photoshop in the background to get a warrant.

Hoss cant do farm labor as the farmers don't want the product filmed.

And Kokesh yeah him. He needs to do some hard labor these guys apparently never knew the value of hard work, self sufficiency or the value of the dollar . such as hard earned and easily lost.

and last we get to something that we both agree on Reliability and Fed pressure

we all remember the Acronym MICE.

Money/Information,Intelligence,Corruption,Compelling Classified, EGO

Well if they need money and want money and are hurting for money then I'm sure the feds will give it to them . Provided they work for the feds.

Kokesh any one who gets near that idiot is putting a bulls eye on them selves that says I want a no knock come and take my kids away.

I hate to break to them but if someone snaps my picture they are not leaving with that camera. And if they take a picture of my brothers and I see them doing it its dog pile time.

Point blank simple Breacher I'm sure that if you took a Polaroid of your self the camera would break [Razz] Just kidding. But BTT How much would our pictures be worth to SPLC ?

Morris Dees Nuts would be so happy. And that's the big issue with media types they have a loyalty to the subscribers not the public or the patriots. Once they get that Velveeta commercial slot its over for us.

If they want any money from me they are going to have to work for it. First I need a tackle Dummy for the K9 GSD I'm looking to get. Second my neighbors have a huge hornet nest that's getting on my nerves and they don't want any chemicals used third the third floor windows need the outside trim repainted
fourth I need the Harris rf-1944 put up in a 90 foot tree in an inverted L position. 5 my car could use a detailing. and last I want an infiltration tunnel dug from my back yard to China. You are right they need to work as the money they are asking for wont be used for what they are telling us it will be used for. Just like Chris Simcox and his Border Scam. 9 million dollars and poof he is living the good life in Mesa now.

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Oh and reading the suppossed damage to adams equipment . take it to court thats a fourth amendment issue. Confiscated. Fourth amendment issue. Stolen money C'mon for real thats another whole set of issues. "A production team he deserves"
are you serious!! Hes lucky that he has his freedom and anal integrity intact.

and last the thing that pisses me off to no avail and makes him MY ENEMY..

[Mad] helping countless active duty troops sow dissent among the ranks and get out as Conscientious Objectors, [Mad]

[Mad] Don't even get me started on "Adams Cowards" OK I had one of these fuckers HE WOULD NOT GO OUT THE WIRE FOR HIS OWN TEAM AND HE TOLD HIS BATTLE SCREW YOU.
Adam outta be lucky that some overzealous JAG doesn't bring him up on charges it can be done.
Anyone who walks away from an oath needs to be shot. [Mad]

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You know Kokesh his taking his lessons from the John Kerry political playbook.

His problem is they know how they wrote their own playbook and putting that felony conviction on him is more than likely going to prevent him from graduating from activism to a real political career.

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Adam keeps his antics up he will be in the clink again. And if he 3 strikes yikes. But it takes alot of nerve to ask for 100,000 dollars from hard working citizens. So he can play.

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I don't understand someone refusing to go out on a mission when they know someone is in trouble.

Grunts worn out and tired I kind of get that, grunts bitching and complaining, that's kind of normal. Outright refusal to man up for a rescue mission, ooohkaay motherfucker, we don't even step out back for this one, it's make an example in front of everybody time.

On Chris Simcox? 9 Million dollars? What's that about? I thought he had some ex-wife making child molest accusations problem too, just not a case we got involved with. The Dyer defense fund was the biggest thing I have seen in the last several years. Lots of accusations about misdirected funds, but the reality is that none of it was wasted until we hired the "professional" legal team and investigators.

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Adam Kokesh has received a suspended sentence for his drug and gun convictions.

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A Fairfax County judge gave a gun rights activist a suspended sentence for drug and gun-related convictions Friday that followed a high-profile raid on his then-Herndon home last year.

Adam Kokesh, 32, entered Alford pleas in June to two felonies related to possessing hallucinogenic mushrooms while having an AR-15 assault rifle. Police found both — and other drugs and weapons — inside a cabinet in the basement of his home while serving a July 2013 search warrant.

In an Alford Plea, a defendant does not admit guilt, but acknowledges that prosecutors have enough evidence for a conviction. Circuit Court Judge Lorraine Nordlund said she thought the hardest part of his convictions would be losing his gun rights.

Kokesh, who called the charges “political persecution” and struck a combative tone at previous hearings, was contrite at the sentencing.

He said he had moved to California, wrote a book about freedom and started a business and Web site around it. At one point, Kokesh held up a T-shirt with the word “Freedom” written on it, as he explained to Nordlund his recent activities.

“Violence itself is the greatest violation of freedom,” Kokesh told the judge. “I’m the opposite of dangerous.”

He added later: “I apologize to the commonwealth of Virginia and citizens of Herndon. This situation will never happen again.”


Earlier in the hearing, Fairfax County prosecutor Matthew Kapuscinski rejected the idea that the charges were politically motivated.

“This is not a case of political persecution or civil disobedience,” Kapuscinski said. “It’s reckless and irresponsible.”

Kokesh, a Marine Corps veteran of the Iraq War, gained notoriety after posting a video of himself loading and racking a shotgun on the District’s Freedom Plaza on July 4, 2013. The video was filmed less than a week before the raid. Kokesh later pleaded guilty to charges related to the incident.

After the hearing, Kokesh said he was happy with the sentence. He unbuttoned a white dress shirt he was wearing to reveal a black T-shirt underneath identical to the one he displayed in court. He then posed for a picture with the word “Freedom” revealed.

Onward and upward,
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Suspended sentence...

I guess its all about the judge. Too bad we can't push Shaffer Cox appeal in that direction.

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Suspended or not. That does not matter. He cannot accept any responsibility for any actions that he commits or commits too. Case in point is C.O and Desertion as a form of protest is utter B.S. indirectly he caused a lot of suffering and discord that affected many units. This may have attributed to some deaths.

As a veteran he should know better. Instead it makes him a Benedict Arnold. He should keep his feet off of Arlington's Hallowed Ground. And apologize to every Member of the Corp that he ever knew. To bad the Commandant cant rip his EGA away.

As for the Joe who said I wont go yeah he got whats due to Cowards. It may of been a shitty mission but Nothing in Jelawar is nice. And when you don't even want to go recover the personal effect from the site you are a lowly bitch who deserves a bullet to the brain pan.

That right there is the manner of Behavior the Kokesh "Inspired" . So when a mother who has lost her child shoots him then oh well he deserves what he gets.

I have seen Joes make some serious mistakes I mean like Court Martial Mistakes like 1 year in CCF/Leavenworth Mistakes. I have seen AWOL from the field of Battle Mistakes. And I have seen those same Joes get their shit straight and Man up to their mistakes and go on to complete several tours. So I am not a unforgiving person. But Cowardice and Inciting Cowardice and every form of Conscientious Objector Loophole robs the Military of money that could of been used to train a real member who could of been there for their buddies when it counted. It robs the American peoples wallet, erodes their confidence and buries their children. His actions are and were utterly contemptible. I bet if the judge had know of that shit they would of had to move his trial to another planet. (Change of Venue).

I could give a rats patootie if it was an Abrams he drove through the White House Rose garden. But his actions with the military are something an enemy agent would do.Hope he doesn't plan on keeping his VFW/AL membership for long.

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Meanwhile guys like Olofson and you know who would have happily taken a deployment to avert prison were stuck in lockup.

That said, doing time on deployment and getting home to diminished citizenship is a no-go too, like that story about the guy who was in Iraq and not issued a weapon.

There was one guy, National Guardsman who was locked up for privately owned weapons violations in the same cell block as a group of Al Queda recruits who had been caught trying to sneak the Chinese border into Pakistan who cited that it was against UCMJ and therefore federal law to have him locked up with enemy combatants.

The feds response; "you are all the same to us".

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Olofson got a raw deal. That was so utter BS what happened to him. the ATF screwballs should be doing time. The other guy got a raw deal as well.The NG with The Article 5 with EC was a bad idea. it should not of happened. Article 5 is a limited decision by a military panel. One that requires Geneva Monitoring of Prisoners Health. Yet the Geneva Convention has never once been allowed to step foot into gitmo. I escorted some G.C types to Tor Jail for what we thought would be a day long review. Yeah .. it turned out to be a week long review. Many violations were found. So much so that next to AMK-9 on KAF they set up a permanent station.

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Olofson's case was referred at the insistence of local law enforcement. Two local cops had confronted the guy who Olofson had loaned the AR to at the shooting range. Olofson was not even there, and the PFC was not keeping any story straight. They recruited the PFC to act as an informant. If I remember correctly, both cops were black and I got the strong impression just wanted to burn a "white gun guy" or soldier in that predatory rival agency manner they like to screw with military people, then the BATF and US Attorneys office found out Olofson had some connections with some quasi-militia groups like Tyranny Response Team, so there it was, an alliance made in hell, and they all decided Olofson needed to go down.

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I remember it well. That was a bad year. For a lot of people. The thing that most people do not see is that this is all politically driven mandates being executed against any of the "outspoken"

it seems that there are three classifications we can look at.

Incarcerated
Disappeared
Dead

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I think everyone in the patriot movement needs to decide wether they are going to be a Militiaman or an activist, then stick with it.
Sgt Dyer tried being both, now he's in jail for a long long time. Brandon Raub here in VA was only an activist, but he's a free man now.

So guys need to choose between the megaphone and the battle rifle. Do they want to spend their time painting political signs or making ghillie suits? Stop trying to do both!

As for me, I'm a Militiaman. Therefore, you know my thoughts on activism.

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You can go back and forth and make it kind of work. Doing one gives credibility to the other. The issue is that if you are really going to do hard core black ops stuff, then it means maintaining certain levels of personal plausible deniability, to a degree.

A violent black ops action vs an in-someones-face confrontation can be almost the same thing, almost, depending on the circumstances. Irv Rubin of the JDL was pretty blatantly successful at the in someone's face thing, reasonably successful at back alley violence and dirty tricks, fell on his face (literally) when he tried to really play by world class hitman standards.

The eco-groups had some crews better than others. Some going back and forth between activism and direct action, many who only did one or the other. Their most successful direct action groups from ELF/ALF recruited from among some activists and made it a rule that once they were in a direct action group and doing direct action stuff, they had to drop out of activism.

After some time with the direct action group, they went their separate ways and some got back into activism. Their weak links were the ones who had stayed in crime and drugs.

Sinn Fein political leaders tend not to have much credibility unless they have done their time in some capacity with the IRA, as a term of service to their quasi-nation.

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I gotta agree with SBL on this sort of. I suggest a Hybrid. Take the best part of Mega Phone the Mega and the best part of battle rifle and squish them together. and have a Mega Rifle.

What I see is that the activist is the attention getter. When done correctly it brings awareness to the masses. Who then seek answers and means and ways to resist. Thats where the activist can either direct them to a DIC team or a recruitment team.

by being both you are telling the goofballs in DC that you are a one man show and to take you down. When doing public work leave nothing for them to snag you on. And have a sterile background and display no weapons .Don't give the wankers the satisfaction of an easy take down.

That is what I see as a solution. the creds will come with results of passing good people to the DIC and Recruitment teams.

I'm not sure if this is What SBL is referring to but its what I am reading in one or the other.phraseology.

and if you are doing ops for the sake of timmy dont put your jimmy in the jamb. And put it out on the you tube.

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For years, I tried to do both. My health being what it is, it looks like I'm pretty much an activist now. That doesn't mean I can't teach basic preparedness and survival skills, but my days of running and gunning are pretty much over.

Onward and upward,
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The public really defines how they want their folk heroes to look and behave. We can push that in our direction, but we cant fully influence it all at once.

What this movement needs to develop more of is those folk heroes, and that means loudmouths to some degree who actually do things, then its the rest of our job to keep them alive and free as a thorn in the side of the enemy. That is an essence of the successful revolution in the Republic of Ireland vs the mess in the North.

I was really thinking Dyer would be the guy, maybe prevail in a straight up shootout with the feds and then holed up in some enclave somewhere, people from around the country go to defend and join.

The opposition understands the concept, that's why they had to make sure to run down and kill Gordon Kahl quickly and brutally, why they cordoned off the Branch Davidian compound, why when someone does get into a gunfight with the feds they are instantly criticized and vilified, while being hunted alone. You get a charismatic guy leading a group with a public relations arm raising the call to arms, when he has actually done something when it is all on the line, that's what people on both sides really fear right now, because whoever that guy and his group will be, they will really end up controlling this thing, not us and not the alphabets in Washington DC.

Dyer was really a close call for them, but he tried to "kinda play by the rules" and with friends like he had, he was hosed. Especially friends like Rick "oh we just want him to get a fair trial" Light. No, the lines on fair play were repeatedly crossed on that, and for me, sitting alone a thousand miles away, I saw it when the government took his girlfriend's kid as a hostage and thumbed their nose at ARM over it.

The playbook needs a major rewrite, and that hostage taking thing, in my opinion, clearly demonstrated what we were dealing with. That "testify our way if you want to see your kid again" thing was it. It rewrote the rules. The problem for us, regardless of what chess pieces we have, they are positioned all wrong.

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With all the spy technology in play these days, activists are incredibly well-known in the system. If the enemy wants to focus their attention on the activist, they're only wasting their time because the activist and the Militiaman are completely separate people and don't communicate. At least this is how I believe it SHOULD be.

The activist may openly support the actions of a particular Militia unit, but he has absolutely no ties to that unit or any other. If the activist is investigated, no OPSEC will be compromised and the enemy is only wasting their resources. Because of this, the activist can maintain his own loud-mouthed activities ( assuming the feds are still at least pretending that free speech still exists), gaining more support for the overall movement and putting pressure on the media for journalistic integrity.

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Airforce You have been leading the charge for a long time. Keep on keeping on. Breacher we all know that fair really means screwed. SBL correct separate and compartmentalized a great idea. Our numbers seem to be dwindling from doing things the old way.
How we do things in the future has to be smarter than what we are doing now.

Airforce does have a point and that is our resources are severely limited. and becoming more so every day.

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