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ParaSkS-DEACTIVATED
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What ammo do you recommend for the following calibers? Include practice and 'real' rounds if you can.
.40 cal.
5.56 mm
.38 special

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Real deal 5.56 M193
(1) IMI M193
(2) Prvi M193

Real Deal 5.56 M855
(1) Prvi M855
(2) WCC white box M855

Training M193
(1) Centurion M193 (for the price you could probably get the real deal above)
(2) Wolf if your rifle eats it OK

Training M855
Cheapest SS109 you can get

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Personally I'd stay away from the M855. It does not perform as well as it was thought it should.

It has increased penetration at the cost of Lethality.

[ 04-23-2010, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: Rudy ]

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As to not make another thread, I'm going to post this on this thread.

I want to make a bulk purchase(s) on ammo ASAP. It will be 5.56 NATO XM193. I don't know what the best is but I'd like to know what you guys think about the following:
1) Lake City
2) Federal Lake City
3) American Eagle

These seem to be the most availible. AE seems to be the best cost as well, but I don't know much about them.

I'm going to be saving up as much 5.56 NATO as I can and practicing with either cheaper brass .223 or the cheapest steelcased I can find.

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quote:
Originally posted by OLM-Medic:
As to not make another thread, I'm going to post this on this thread.

I want to make a bulk purchase(s) on ammo ASAP. It will be 5.56 NATO XM193. I don't know what the best is but I'd like to know what you guys think about the following:
1) Lake City
2) Federal Lake City
3) American Eagle

These seem to be the most availible. AE seems to be the best cost as well, but I don't know much about them.

I'm going to be saving up as much 5.56 NATO as I can and practicing with either cheaper brass .223 or the cheapest steelcased I can find.

As to the ones you listed I will say that the Lake City is the best, it is what the Military uses.

Federal Lake City from what I have read is basically the same as Lake City except sold by Federal.

American Eagle I am not sure but I believe it is also good ammo.

Also there is another one Winchester Q3131 which is USA Made or Q3131A which is Israeli Made.

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M193 was never NATO standard, it is only used by the US and Israel.

There is not mush real Lake City out there,as the .mil is prohibited to selling to the civ market.

Federal made at Lake City (LCAAP cartridges) are the closest to M193 made in the US.

Federal Eagle is made at another plant, and typically will be lacking in some of the steps required for military ammunition (tar sealant or primer crimp).

IMI or Prvi is mil spec M193 and is a perfectly good choice (especially for the price).

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I'm partial to M855 green tipped ball. It's what I'm used to, and, with the exception of a few manufactures, performs about the same across the board. Most of my ammo has "LC" stamped on it, so I'm assuming its Lake City made, but what Federal I've tried works great too. 'sides, if I ever need to depend on my rifle, all I gotta do for resupply is wait for the supply train, ie, patrol, to walk down the trail.

As for 7.62, I would of said M80 Ball a while back, but the more I look at ballistic tip ammo, the more I like. In that regard, the only one I've used thus far is Hornady's SST 150-grain .308 round. Good stuff. Little entrance hole, little exit hole, massive cavity in between.

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I like wolf, there is no reason to stock huge amounts of good ammo other then say 2-3k. Once you have your stored ammo, get whatever is cheap. This is practice ammo, ammo used to hone your skills, not kill the bad guy. I shoot at current rates about 1000 rounds a month, anything i can do to bring that cost down is better. Sure you could shoot 1000 rounds a month of the good stuff, but at the same cost you could shoot 2200 rounds of the cheap stuff. Doesn't matter what you shoot at the bad guy if you never hit him.
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quote:
Originally posted by Alpha-17:
I'm partial to M855 green tipped ball. It's what I'm used to, and, with the exception of a few manufactures, performs about the same across the board. Most of my ammo has "LC" stamped on it, so I'm assuming its Lake City made, but what Federal I've tried works great too. 'sides, if I ever need to depend on my rifle, all I gotta do for resupply is wait for the supply train, ie, patrol, to walk down the trail.

As for 7.62, I would of said M80 Ball a while back, but the more I look at ballistic tip ammo, the more I like. In that regard, the only one I've used thus far is Hornady's SST 150-grain .308 round. Good stuff. Little entrance hole, little exit hole, massive cavity in between.

Friend you sure about the exit hole being little.

I would think it would be a large exit hole, what with the expansion.

I am thinking of using that ammo or the A-max or Tap, the things I am concerned with is if there would be any problem with the tip deforming within the Magazine, and if the bullet is not crimped would there be a problem with bullet setback do to recoil.

There also the issue of no sealant on the bullet and primer, but that can be corrected.

I do know one thing for sure and that is 308 ball ammo sucks for stopping power compared to a Ballistic Tip bullet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sniper_762X51:
Friend you sure about the exit hole being little.

Yep, it's what I used to back a deer back in December. The shot was high (forgot to compensate for the higher rise of the SST over the Ball ammo my EOTech was zeroed with), and I hit it in the upper back. Dropped it instantly. When we skinned it later, you could see a small hole on both sides, but a large cavity in between. Don't know why, but that's how it was.

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I will take a guess that the bullet had lost most of its velocity by the time it exited the deer and that means most of the energy was transferred to the deer and that is a very good thing. And since a deer is not that much different in bulk then a person it would mean that round would be very good for combat.

I mean a deer is not an Elk or Bear etc

I saw some pics of what the Hornady does when fired into Gelatin and they were most impressive.

The Hornady is quite expensive at around $1.50 per round but if I can get the money I will be getting a couple thousand rounds of it, to save for social purposes.

I think $1.50 per one Blue Helmet will be worth it and a real bargin.

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quote:
Originally posted by sharpstick:
I like wolf, there is no reason to stock huge amounts of good ammo other then say 2-3k. Once you have your stored ammo, get whatever is cheap. This is practice ammo, ammo used to hone your skills, not kill the bad guy. I shoot at current rates about 1000 rounds a month, anything i can do to bring that cost down is better. Sure you could shoot 1000 rounds a month of the good stuff, but at the same cost you could shoot 2200 rounds of the cheap stuff. Doesn't matter what you shoot at the bad guy if you never hit him.

I agree. I do plan on using 1,000 or so brass for practice just to see how my gun will hold up. I'll probably do that on a carbine course. My AR jams sometimes with steel cased ammo, so I want to test it out with brass (so far zero issues, but not alot of brass fired compared to steel).

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