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free radical
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Need to do a bucha reloading to feed a crank operated M1919 belt fed. We have some tracer bullitts, does anyonr know where/if we can get 30.06 black tip AP bullits, or if there is a big enough difference in destructive power over std.
FMJ 308 to be worth the price...need 100's or a thousnd, or if not what is the best .308 or 7.62 NATO for penetrative power?

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They dont offer much in terms of tissue damage they actually offer less. If it were me , knowing that regular 308 will defeat most anything that is not armored and that most modern armor is made to stop AP, I dont see any use in them. As far as penetration goes, 308 is an anti personnel round so its not really designed toward penetration that a byproduct of being a larger rifle round. I would have to say that a FMJ would be about as good as it gets beyond the penetrate tipped bullet. You may research some hard cast led running large amounts of tin to harden it up , you can cast them yourself but dont quote me on pressures or ability to feed in a 1919.


Pats reloading would be the only place I could think to check, they will have a booth at knob creek machine gun shoot.

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Im not as concerned with body damage or even personel body armor but the best bang against
metal and material such as "junk" cars. Of course I know .50bmg is better, so thats NOT the question.

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fr,

It would have been beneficial to know in the FIRST post that you were interested in primarily shooting metal such as "junk" cars.

The only criteria you specified in your opening post was "penetrative power" - which can mean many different things when speaking of ammunition.

FMJ will penetrate a car.

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Wideners occasionally offers 7.62 steel jacketed, with copper wash, 147 grain bullets made for FN.

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Again 7.62 is not an anti material round, its a anti personnel round. What I'm getting at is its not made to penetrate junk such as cars or refrigerator's.What your asking it to do is beyond its intended role, and as such it doesn't do it well, no matter what the bullet construction.

I have seen 308 and even 50 BMG fail to penetrate a motor block after first penetrating the auto body, heck the 20MM didn't exit the block of a Dodge caravan at no more then about 175-200 yards.

The AR15.com shoot is coming up at knob creek in a few weeks, come on out and see first hand what the bullets will do to a car. Though I'm sure you will find as I have that its a fluke or a crap shoot, some fmj will crack a block, some will be sitting but out in a door pillar, there are so many variables its crazy and not very predictable. Anyhow there will be a bunch of full autos and a bunch of belt feds, you can see first hand what each dose.

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Is this a rechambered M1919 in 7.62 NATO?

Last I knew .308 was considered a "handgun" round when AP ammo was being discussed which is illegal to manufacture.

If it is still the law of the land possession with intent can be a crime and making 7.62x51 AP would be a crime.

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As far as i know you are correct TR, And from what i have read on the web they are a disappointment at best not doing what people expect them to do.
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There is some Hirt 762 API out there and THAT is worth the price of admission .

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Sportsmans Guide Has some mag Tec FMJ 308 right now, get it while you can $157 for 250rnds, also 500 & 1000 availible while it lasts, SEMPER FI , JUST SO YA KNOW

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quote:
Originally posted by Total Resistance:
Is this a rechambered M1919 in 7.62 NATO?

Last I knew .308 was considered a "handgun" round when AP ammo was being discussed which is illegal to manufacture.

If it is still the law of the land possession with intent can be a crime and making 7.62x51 AP would be a crime.

Pulled black tipped .30-06 AP bullets can still probably be found for sale somewhere.

In the 1980's you used to be able to by all the Chi-Com 7.62x39 steel core AP ammo you wanted. Then only after someone made a pistol that fired 7.62x39 ammo did sale of it or the manufacture of it to sell become illegal but possession of it was never illegal.

So as long as you do not sell it you can take .30-06 steel core AP bullets and make all the .308 AP, .30-06 AP, or .300 win mag. ammunition you want to.

In Texas possession of AP pistol rounds like KTW is illegal but if the invading foreign occupiers are wearing body armor and all you have is a pistol just make a head, groin, or femur shot.

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It is pretty easy to just get the changeover parts to make that 1919 run back on 30-06, probably a lot easier than pulling bullets and reloading them into 7.62 NATO cases.

Barrel, booster, (remove feed tray filler piece), people say to swap the bolt, but it really should not be making a serious difference.

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