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Here's Rep. Thomas Massie on the new healthcare bill. Needless to say, he's not a fan. If the House bill was ObamaCare 2.0, the Senate bill is ObamaCare 1.1.

He's exactly right. Imagine if you could wait until you have an accident before you buy auto insurance. It wouldn't work. And it's the same with health insurance. If you can wait until you're sick before you buy health insurance, it's a recipe for disaster.

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As expected, there will be no vote in the Senate on this bill this week.

Hey, congresscritters: If you want more people to have healthcare, there's an easy way to do it. Make healthcare cheaper. Repeal ObamaCare, then get out of the healthcare industry completely. The free market will make healthcare cheaper without your "help."

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not get out completely: Offer the option for insurance companies to be federally chartered (as opposed to state chartered), and allow customers to select just the coverage they want: Don't want abortion coverage? then don't select it....

healthy folks can select catastrophic coverage only, old folks can select the full Monty of coverage (except perhaps birth control), etc. People can pay for what they will use, and the market will define the rates.

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People will die! It's fun two-minute video. Enjoy!

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A new article by Sen. Rand Paul:

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I miss the old days, when Republicans stood for repealing Obamacare. Republicans across the country and every member of my caucus campaigned on repeal – often declaring they would tear out Obamacare “root and branch!”

What happened?

Now too many Republicans are falling all over themselves to stuff hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ dollars into a bill that doesn’t repeal Obamacare and feeds Big Insurance a huge bailout.

Obamacare regulations? Still here. Taxes? Many still in place, totaling hundreds of billions of dollars.

Insurance company bailouts? Those, too. Remember when Republicans complained about Obamacare’s risk corridors? Remember when we called the corridors nothing more than insurance company bailouts? I remember when one prominent GOP candidate during a presidential debate explicitly called out the Obamacare risk corridors as a bailout to insurance companies. Does anyone else?


Now, the Senate GOP plan being put forward is chock full of insurance bailout money – to the tune of nearly $200 billion. Republicans, present company excluded, now support the idea of lowering your insurance premium by giving a subsidy to the insurance company.

Remarkable. If the GOP now supports an insurance stabilization fund to lower insurance prices, maybe they now support a New Car stabilization fund to lower the price of cars. Or maybe the GOP would support an iPhone stabilization fund to lower the price of phones.

The possibilities are limitless once you accept that the federal government should subsidize prices. I remember when Republicans favored the free choice of the marketplace.

The Senate Obamacare bill does not repeal Obamacare. I want to repeat that so everyone realizes why I’ll vote “no” as it stands now:

The Senate Obamacare bill does not repeal Obamacare. Not even close.

In fact, the Senate GOP bill codifies and likely expands many aspects of Obamacare.


The Senate Obamacare-lite bill codifies a federal entitlement to insurance. With the Senate GOP bill, Republicans, for the first time, will signal that they favor a key aspect of Obamacare – federal taxpayer funding of private insurance purchases.

The bill will transfer billions of dollars to people who will then transfer billions of dollars to insurance companies. What a great business model – encourage the federal government to use taxpayer money to buy a private company’s product. Great business model, that is, if you are Big Insurance. Remarkable.

The Senate Obamacare-lite bill does what the Democrats forgot to do – appropriate billions for Obamacare’s cost-sharing reductions, aka subsidies. Really? Republicans are going to fund Obamacare subsidies that the Democrats forgot to fund?

Doesn’t sound much like repeal to me. One might even argue it’s worse than Obamacare-lite because it actually creates a giant superfund to bail out the insurance companies – something even the Democrats feared to do.

I was first elected in the heady days of the Tea Party Tidal Wave, when tens of thousands of citizens gathered on the central city lawn to protest Big Government, Big Debt, and a government takeover of health care.

This citizenry won in four elections. Each time, the GOP establishment told conservatives, “We can’t repeal Obamacare until we have all three branches of government.” Finally, in 2016, that came to pass. Republicans now control all three branches of government.

And . . . the best that is offered is Obamacare-lite: keeping the Obamacare subsidies, keeping some of the Obamacare taxes, creating a giant insurance bailout superfund, and keeping most of the Obamacare regulations.

Shame. Shame on many in the GOP for promising repeal and instead affirming, keeping, and, in some cases, expanding Obamacare. What a shame.

A new USA Today puts public support for the Senate at a whopping 12%. Gee, I wonder why.

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Rachel Roubein asked Sen. Rand Paul about the new health care bill. His answer?

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Retaining instead of repealing ObamaCare will be the GOP's undoing. A new article by Sen. Rand Paul.

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Republicans will live and learn to regret the day they decided to retain Obamacare. Conservatives across America will not and should not soon forget the day Republicans abandoned any pretense of Obamacare repeal. By agreeing to retain Obamacare, Republicans desert the principles they claim to hold dear and abandon the promises they made across multiple election cycles.

I will not be a part of it, and it is why I will vote no next week. But beyond that, I want the public to understand a few things.

In this Senate bill, Obamacare is to be retained.

There will be no repeal. “Obamacare is dead,” they say as they mutter under their breath, “Long live Obamacare.”

Senate Republicans, if they pass this bill, will be voting to keep the main premise of Obamacare and all its attendant distortions and market disruptions.

Senate Republicans propose:

To keep most of the Obamacare taxes.

To keep almost all of the Obamacare regulations.

To keep most of the Obamacare subsidies.

And, worst of all, to create a giant Insurance Bailout Superfund.

Future generations will look upon this day of surrender as the beginning of the end of capitalism, choice and competition in America.

Too dramatic? You decide.

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There will, finally, be a vote to just repeal the damn thing. It's about time. Republicans have been campaigning for seven years on a promise to repeal it. Now let's see if they do it.

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Sen. Paul's "clean repeal bill" is coming up for a vote in the next few minutes. The GOP has passed this bill before - when they knew Obama would veto it.

Needless to say, it's not expected to pass.

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As expected, it was defeated. So much for that GOP promise to repeal ObamaCare.

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Six Republicans who vote for a "clean repeal" in 2015, sank it today. Remember who these senators are.

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In 2015, when presented with a bill that would have repealed much of Obamacare's taxes and regulations, Senate Republicans were eager to send a political message. Though the bill would be vetoed by then-President Barack Obama, 52 Republicans voted "aye."

With 48 of those 52 senators still in office, the Senate on Wednesday could muster only 45 votes in favor of a "clean repeal" of Obamacare. Six senators who voted for the 2015 bill voted against the repeal effort.

They are Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., Dean Heller, R-Nev., John McCain, R-Ariz., Lisa Murkowski R-Alaska, and Rob Portman, R-Ohio.

After a comprehensive repeal-and-replace bill failed Tuesday night, senators voted Wednesday on a proposal to scrap most of Obamacare in two years, giving Congress a chance to work-up some sort of replacement. The so-called "repeal-and-delay," which had been pushed by conservative and libertarian members of the Senate, including Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, met the same fate.

With two defeats in as many days, Senate Republicans are running out of time to pass anything that could be considered a victory in their years-long quest to repeal Obamacare. Under the rules of the reconciliation process, the Senate can only debate the health care bill for 20 hours before embarking on a so-called vote-a-rama (probably sometime tomorrow) and then taking a final vote Friday on whatever bill emerges from that process.

It's a total mess.

The last ditch effort will likely focus on what's become known as the "skinny repeal" option. There's no actual language for the amendment, but Politico and other outlets are reporting the proposal would include a repeal of Obamacare's individual and employer mandates and a repeal of the medical devices tax.

If Republicans can get a skinny repeal bill out of the Senate, the two chambers could go to a conference committee to iron out the differences and, perhaps, find a version of the two bills both chambers could pass.

There is also a chance the House will accept that measure and pass it just to make the whole issue go away. But Rep. Mark Meadows, R-North Carolina, the head of the House's Freedom Caucus, says the "skinny repeal" bill will not pass the House. Conservatives in both chambers may have a hard time voting for a bill that does not touch Obamacare's Medicaid expansion. Policy considerations, though, have taken a backseat to simple mathematics in the Senate.

"Whatever gets to 50," Sen. John Thune, R-South Dakota, told Politico.

The least common denominator approach is really the only choice left, and the clock is ticking.

"I've always said I will vote for any permutation of repeal," Paul told Politico before the vote on full repeal failed Wednesday. "Obviously I want as much as I can get but I'll vote for whatever the consensus can be. It's what I've been saying for months: Start on what you can agree on."

Instead, the health care debate will end with whatever 50 Republican senators can agree on.

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Here's the latest in what's in that "skinny repeal" if ObamaCare. It takes out the individual mandate, but leaves in the tax on medical devices.

They're still working on it, so things could change. But so far it doesn't seem like much of a repeal, skinny or otherwise.

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You can't make this stuff up. Senate Republicans won't pass a health care bill, unless House Republicans agree not to pass it.

I'm not kidding. Read the story at the link.

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"No party can remain in power by lying to the American people." Ted Cruz is right.

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He’s not declaring defeat in saying that but rather promising that the effort to repeal ObamaCare will go on, and that they’ll get it done eventually. Maybe. Probably not with this GOP caucus, though. Once the party holds 75 Senate seats or whatever, then they’ll be ready to repeal and replace.

Since truth is paramount, here’s a truth-bomb for you: The “skinny repeal” bill that he and all the other tea-party heroes voted for last night was garbage, substantively and procedurally. Had it passed, it would have left the GOP holding the bag for bailing out insurers once young healthy people started dropping their plans. And as a matter of pure process, it was a travesty. Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse — all the guys who got famous lecturing the right about civics and transparency and good government were prepared to vote for a bad bill written on the day of the vote, with a roll call held in the dead of night without committee mark-ups, hearings, nada. “Skinny repeal” was, as Philip Klein correctly says, an insult. And Cruz was a willing participant.

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Significantly, it leaves Obamacare’s regulatory framework in place, forcing insurers to cover those with pre-existing conditions without charging more on the basis of health status. But by ditching the individual mandate that was supposed to compel younger and healthier individuals from purchasing insurance, it’s created a recipe for higher premiums and an exodus of insurers from the market.

Of course, we’re not supposed to focus too much on the demerits of this bill. In fact, even Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who is going to vote for it, attacked the bill earlier Thursday as “half-assed” and as a “fraud” and “disaster.” The idea is that this bill is supposed to be the vehicle for senators to hash out a better bill in a conference with the House. But it’s totally bonkers for senators to vote in favor of a bill that they don’t want to become law, in the hopes that adding an additional legislative body to the negotiations will achieve what Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell could not in the past several months: get 50 senators to agree on a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare.

The saving grace of the bill, supposedly, was that it was just a vehicle to get to a conference committee with the House and never would have become law. But there was no way to know that for sure. Paul Ryan promised the Senate a conference if they passed it, but that conference might have lasted five minutes before it became clear, per Klein, that the Senate was incapable of passing anything except skinny repeal. That would have put Ryan and the House GOP on the spot — either they could walk away, in which case they’d be blamed for tanking the Republican health-care reform effort, or they could rubber-stamp skinny repeal in the name of notching a win and the country would be saddled with a terrible mess. In the end Collins, Murkowski, and ol’ maverick McCain did the GOP a favor, sparing them from the ensuing fiscal chaos the party would have been blamed for and giving the many other wary members of the caucus political cover to pander to righties by voting yes.

Freedom Caucus chief Mark Meadows backed Cruz up this morning, saying that his group continues to work on two different bills that might conceivably pass the Senate and finally get repeal (or something like it) done. Another group of House members, though, is working on a bipartisan plan to stabilize ObamaCare now that it appears here to stay. A bailout may be coming either way, but at least the GOP’s fingerprints won’t be on the law that caused this one. Exit question: Does Ted Cruz have clean hands on telling the American people the truth about ObamaCare? He assured a lot of grassroots conservatives in 2013 that the law could be stopped if the political will on the right was there, never mind that the White House and Senate were controlled by Democrats.
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"Republicans were NEVER serious about repealing ObamaCare." The latest from Pastor Chuck Baldwin.

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Republicans in D.C. were NEVER serious about repealing Obamacare.

The circus that took place over the past couple of weeks on Capitol Hill regarding Obamacare should take the curtain off of the duplicitous Republican Party once and forever.

In January of 2016, the GOP-controlled House and Senate passed a repeal of Obamacare. Of course, they knew President Obama would veto the bill. Republicans then went on to campaign in the fall elections on the promise of repealing Obamacare if voters would give the GOP complete control of Washington. The voters did just that, and look what happened.

First, Republican leaders (including President Donald Trump) did everything they could do to pass a bill that not only KEPT the vast majority of Obamacare intact, but actually made it WORSE. Had it not been for the tenacious defiance of Senator Rand Paul, that bill would have become law.

After it was obvious that Rand and his fellow recalcitrants were not going to budge and Trumpcare was not going to pass, Mitch McConnell agreed to bring a full repeal bill to the floor for a vote. BUT, he would wait until a sick Senator John McCain returned from brain surgery.

Not only did McCain kill the full repeal bill, he went on to cast the deciding vote against the so-called "skinny" repeal vote. In essence, John McCain will forever be known as the Republican who saved Obamacare.

And this is exactly what McConnell and the GOP leadership were counting on. If McConnell was serious about repealing Obamacare: 1) he would not have spent so much time, effort, and money trying to pass a GOP bill that was WORSE than Obamacare, and 2) he would NOT have waited for the return of McCain to bring the repeal bill to the floor for a vote. McConnell was COUNTING on McCain to kill the full and partial repeal votes of Obamacare.

Folks, face it: the GOP NEVER INTENDED TO REPEAL OBAMACARE. And the repeal vote in January of 2016 was only a ruse to give Republicans a popular issue to campaign on in the November elections. THIS HAPPENS ALL OF THE TIME.

When Republicans KNOW that a good, pro-liberty, pro-Constitution bill will be vetoed by a president or governor, they will pass it, so as to use the vote as a reelection message. But when they KNOW that the bill will actually pass, hardly ever will it pass. There are conveniently always JUST ENOUGH Republican to kill the bill. This happens constantly on both the national and State levels. I mean CONSTANTLY. This time the GOP leadership relied on a dying John McCain--who will never face the voters again--to do their dirty work for them.

I tell you, these people are the most despicable, diabolical, disingenuous people on the planet. How long will the American people not see though this charade?

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Can you sue a political party for fraud? If so, the GOP is in serious trouble.

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A retired attorney in Virginia Beach is so incensed that Republicans couldn’t repeal the Affordable Care Act that he’s suing to get political donations back, accusing the GOP of fraud and racketeering.

Bob Heghmann, 70, filed a lawsuit Thursday in U.S. District Court saying the national and Virginia Republican parties and some GOP leaders raised millions of dollars in campaign funds while knowing they weren’t going to be able to overturn the ACA, also known as Obamacare.

The GOP “has been engaged in a pattern of Racketeering which involves massive fraud perpetrated on Republican voters and contributors as well as some Independents and Democrats,” the suit said. Racketeering, perhaps better known for use in prosecuting organized crime, involves a pattern of illegal behavior by a specific group.

The lawsuit lists as defendants the Republican National Committee and Virginia’s two national GOP committee members, Morton Blackwell and Cynthia Dunbar, as well as the Republican Party of Virginia and state party Chairman John Whitbeck.

In an email, Blackwell dismissed Heghmann’s complaint as a “frivolous, nuisance suit that should be thrown out of court by any judge.”

In a separate email Dunbar sent to Blackwell that was forwarded to The Virginian-Pilot, Dunbar referred to it as “ridiculous.”

But at the same time, both said they understood where Heghmann was coming from. Blackwell said the suit is a “sign of conservative anger that the Republican-controlled Congress has not yet repealed and replaced Obamacare.”

He argued that “progressives” had taken over the Democratic Party and seemed to lament that “conservatives” had not yet taken over the Republican Party.

“Too few conservatives are willing to invest their time, talent, and money and personally participate inside the Republican Party,” Blackwell said. “A Republican majority will mean a conservative majority if and when a sufficient number of conservatives figure out why the success of their principles depends on their personal involvement in local, state and national Republican Party committees and in party nomination contests.”

A spokesman for the state party did not respond to a request for comment.

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